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IMMORTAlMITCH · Mar 08, 2010, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by AndroBubbles

Actually the average reaction time to visual stimuli is .25s for humans. He's pretty close to that.

I get considerably lower results on these online test thingies (.175-.22s average) and I doubt I have such insane reflexes.

Animate · Mar 08, 2010, 04:55 PM // 16:55

It's all ping.... anyone who plays FPS games knows this.
.75 sec skills are a piece of cake with 0ms ping response and almost impossible with 400ms ping. If you don't get woh, take a look at that ping indicator in GW. If it is orange then you know why you didn't get it. If it is green or even below 100 then you should get it easily. Little children can interrupt WoH and probably also a monkey given the ping is low enough. It's harder when your opponent starts faking things or spaming lots of .25 sec spells. In that case just use diversion or shame/guilt, or leave him be and switch to a different target. Don't camp a single target with interrupts. Only bad players do this (=a lot). The reason why many Pblock signets/glyphs/veil etc is simply because their ping sucks and hence they have no proper timeframe to make any decision if they want to be fast enough to hit anything at all. If you wanna get good at interrupting note that it is not possible, because one game you will have 100ms and play well, next game on a different server in another country you will have 400ms and suck hard, except ofc you have a miraculously good internet connection. This is why interrupts are biased and disadvantage certain players and should be nerfed into oblivion, cause if you want that ping dependant stuff you go play FPS games and rail/headshot opponents on servers with reasonably decent response times.
The best advice to interrupt well (lol, assuming a low ping now) is to stay calm and sort out/realize the key skills that are the most important to interrupt and then to shut them down. Also important is to switch targets often. If someone starts faking his signets or spaming .25 skills because he knows he's the target of interrupts, it is the best to simply switch the target than to play mindgames with someone who is under no apparent pressure anyway and can afford to fake his spells energy- and timewise. Even if you will win that mindgame, the skill you interrupted won't matter, because a target who behaves likes that doesn't have to be shut down very seriously....

Concerning random luck from fastcast sets, yep, it involves no skill... you got it. They are necessary however because GW balancing promotes interrupts as the only left form of shutdown aka skills get balanced with their activation times nowadays.

And consider there is a lag of the skill activation bar of your target every time after a player just got resurrected, so to say he is out of sync for a few seconds then.

Thevil King · Mar 08, 2010, 06:39 PM // 18:39

anticipation, reflex, ping

kedde · Mar 08, 2010, 09:29 PM // 21:29

If you can't get below 200 ms on generic online reaction tests, don't even bother trying to get into a role requiring interrupting.
With minor practice below 200 ms is achievable for pretty much anyone.

superraptors · Mar 08, 2010, 10:28 PM // 22:28

no one said you need a good computer, high FPS(frames), makes it easier,

Corporeal Ghost · Mar 10, 2010, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by superraptors

no one said you need a good computer, high FPS(frames), makes it easier,

You don't need a good computer for high FPS. I'm currently away from my gaming box and am running Guild Wars on nearly 5-year-old laptop, through Wine, booting Ubuntu from an external hard drive. Not to mention several of the parts in this machine probably have heat damage. And I get ~50 FPS, which is somewhere around 15 better than what is distinguishable by the human eye. FPS really shouldn't be an issue at this point.

Back on the original topic, make sure you know what skills need interrupting and when. Just being able to twitch everything doesn't really accomplish much, though it seems to get you a mesmer slot in lower-ranked guilds. A well-timed Power Spike is frequently enough to cause a chain-wipe in RA, but there have been matches where I've seen my monk Powerblocked for half the match and it just wasn't relevant. The same principle applies to GvG. I've just never been part of a guild good enough to implement it.

Div · Mar 11, 2010, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by afya

I'm learning to interrupt recently. I use a mes for this purpose.

1sec skills are no problem to me but 3/4s are a bit challenging. If I try to distinguish those from 1/4 skills I probably wont get it that time. I feel that rupting 3/4s are important as WoH and mend body and soul are one of them.

From math, 0.75-0.25from skill-0.2(200ping) = 0.3 secs. My reaction time is 0.28s base on some online test, which means i have only 0.02s for my brain to computerize if that is a 1/4 skill. I wonder if I m too slow on reflex or this is normal.

I also heard that a good interrupter can predict opponent's action. I can predict KDed monk's immediate casting, or bb sin/hammer war's action, but healers' are a bit random, any tips on this?

A lot of those online tests basically have you press a button when it turns red. The average for those tests is .25s or so, so you're a little slower. When you have to distinguish between two things (such as pressing when it's red and not pressing when it turns black), the time gets bumped to about .35s, which would put your reaction time closer to 0.4s. With your ping, it's not going to be a reliable interrupt at all.

One thing you miscalculated is that your skill interrupt takes .15-.2s to cast because of fast casting, not .25s.

You're going to have to make predictions, train for better reflexes, or get better ping (probably most important, but hardest to change) if you want to hit those with any sort of consistency. Dropping ping from .2s to .05s means you could be the slowest interrupter but still hit skills just as well as a fast reflexer with average ping.

The Drunkard · Mar 11, 2010, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Start to interrupt in RA, people are really terrible at cancel casting. With a mes, I started with PD, as it is a fast skill that can really cripple a team. Some advise against monks in RA as follow that concern different situations:

1: ZOOM OUT and pay attenction to everyone on the field. Chances are a monk isn't going to WoH if their team is above 75% health. They probably won't prot either unless melee starts to hammer them.
1b: A good monk will bait skills they aren't using in that match in order to waste your rupt. Don't go for a monk's draw conditions or mending touch unless they or their teammate are seriously under pressure from conditions. The same applies for hexes.
2: The lower the health on a healers bar, the sloppier they will get with interrupt prevention. Chances are if a monk is below 25% health, they're going to start to panic and spam skills. Then it's just memorizing the aftercasts and timing on your end.
3: Switch targets if your foe is trying to bait you but always be ready to get back on that target; chances are after a while that monk is going to forget you are targeting him after awhile.
4: Bad monks after a kd will immediatly cast a spell when they get up under pressure. Good monks will wait around half of a second before casting. Identify and plan accordingly.
5: Do not use spam interrupts- good monks will wait until you cast before they start to. Prediction is vital for 1/4 rupts.
6: Pratice makes perfect

Now this is all of the things I can think of that I use against monks against RA,CB, or AB, and I have about a 30% sucess rate with 1/4 casts, so take my advice with a grain of salt because I'm far from perfect. I'd imagine some of this advice would be usefull in the higher areas as well.

AndroBubbles · Mar 12, 2010, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

I get considerably lower results on these online test thingies (.175-.22s average) and I doubt I have such insane reflexes.

The thing is that it says mine is usually above .22, but with good ping I can interrupt WoH on reflex when it's a little more than halfway done casting, and I can do that pretty reliably (dependent on ping)

Div · Mar 13, 2010, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by AndroBubbles

The thing is that it says mine is usually above .22, but with good ping I can interrupt WoH on reflex when it's a little more than halfway done casting, and I can do that pretty reliably (dependent on ping)

My bot can interrupt WoH on reflex when it's a little more than halfway done casting, and it can do that pretty reliably (dependent on ping)

Is it even possible to do that on reflex? A little more than halfway is looking at the ~.4-.5s mark, which is pretty difficult even for good ping, especially reliably?

kedde · Mar 13, 2010, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Its definitely possible to reflex ,5 sec casts, its just unlikely to happen and extremely dependant on a very good ping at the moment and one good reflex.
It'll ignore any sort of recognization process, its not impossible but at the same time will never happen consistently.

But if someone says he gets bad results on reflex tests and still does something like that consistently while also interrupting selectively, something is sounding off.

Reverend Dr · Mar 15, 2010, 02:04 AM // 02:04

As an addendum: Those neuroscience studies (while they are lost in old schoolwork otherwise I'd have exact numbers and names that went along with them), also performed the same test on chimps. The chimps were able to respond faster (~90ms as opposed to the humas ~140). This was attributed to the chimps having smaller brains and the signals not having to go nearly as far. So how good were your reflex times again?

kedde · Mar 16, 2010, 09:04 AM // 09:04

And you could add that brilliant minds from all sorts of different eras such as einstein had smaller brains.

AndroBubbles · Mar 18, 2010, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Div

My bot can interrupt WoH on reflex when it's a little more than halfway done casting, and it can do that pretty reliably (dependent on ping)

Is it even possible to do that on reflex? A little more than halfway is looking at the ~.4-.5s mark, which is pretty difficult even for good ping, especially reliably?

I really only get those results when I have godly ping, but I have good reflexes, always been that way.

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Originally Posted by kedde

Its definitely possible to reflex ,5 sec casts, its just unlikely to happen and extremely dependant on a very good ping at the moment and one good reflex.
It'll ignore any sort of recognization process, its not impossible but at the same time will never happen consistently.

But if someone says he gets bad results on reflex tests and still does something like that consistently while also interrupting selectively, something is sounding off.

I don't interrupt like that when I'm doing it selectively, but I can get WoH when doing it selectively, and that's what really matters to me.

As for the conflicting statements, I honestly don't have a reasonable explanation. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

niek2004 · Mar 19, 2010, 09:40 AM // 09:40

Your ping is a bit high, and you should reflex faster. Practice is the key.

oscarmk · Mar 25, 2010, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Div

My bot can interrupt WoH on reflex when it's a little more than halfway done casting, and it can do that pretty reliably (dependent on ping)

Is it even possible to do that on reflex? A little more than halfway is looking at the ~.4-.5s mark, which is pretty difficult even for good ping, especially reliably?

Am I missing something, or is admitting to use a bot not a banning offense on this forums?

cantalus · Mar 25, 2010, 05:12 PM // 17:12

and botting is against anet's eula, however, anyone know anyone who's been banned in HA or GVG for using a bot?

and

there seem to be more and more amazingly excellent mesmer interupters in HA at the moment, strangly when complimented in post defeat/victory they seem a little defensive

seems strange to me, but then fame means less to me than my self respect

oscarmk · Mar 25, 2010, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by cantalus

and botting is against anet's eula, however, anyone know anyone who's been banned in HA or GVG for using a bot?

and

there seem to be more and more amazingly excellent mesmer interupters in HA at the moment, strangly when complimented in post defeat/victory they seem a little defensive

seems strange to me, but then fame means less to me than my self respect

Quoted for truth.

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 25, 2010, 07:32 PM // 19:32

there was a mez bot in TA who got banned im pretty sure. other than that i don't know of any other cases where someone's been banned for botting. wouldn't it be kinda hard to prove?

Burton2000 · Mar 25, 2010, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Everyone is using bots now didnt you get the memo?