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OblivionDanny · Apr 21, 2010, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

2) Rezz Anna never plays real frontline

So, what you're saying is that only warriors (that are NOT Iway) are the "real" frontliners... OK.

Killed u man · Apr 21, 2010, 03:52 PM // 15:52

What I'm saying is that SW sins, or pretty much every other sinbar with the exception of few, come closer to caster bars than they do to frontline bars.

A SW sin is pretty much a caster with adjecent range, immune to caster shutdown and daze, but prone to blind and melee shutdown.

As a sin, you don't have to worry too much about positioning (Compared to the other team), because you have an elite snare carrying you. You don't have to worry about team coordination, cuz as you said yourself, you usually don't even play with vent. And you don't have to worry about tactics, because again, you play without vent.

You don't have to change your playstyle from offensive to defensive, because a SW sins is always both at the same time. Because of the armor ignoring damage, and no versatility on the skills on your bar, the bar can only be played in one way. If you go on a warrior the intire match, you'll do close to the same damage as if you went on a caster, maybe even more if that warrior decides to frenzy a bit. You haven't got big utility skills such as Bull's Strike, Shock or interrupts, but rather a snare with is tied to the rest of the bar. (So SW on one guy means you combo him, or you do no damage) Trampling is the only real utility skill on that bar, but because you need the lead and offhand for it, it's unlikely you can actually use it in a way you can use dchop, shock or bull's.

So no, I don't concider sins frontliners. Yes, they obviously are the "frontliners" in the team, but they hold no value in the teambuild. As proven before, you could as well use 6 hexers, or 2 mind blasts and 4 hexers, or in this case 2 SW sins and 4 hexers. They are simply filler bars, preferably the easiest and most effective bars you could fit in a buttonbash builds. SW is such a bar.

A real warrior has got to do everything a SW sin has got to do, aswell as call, watch positioning, tactics, lineback and occasionally shutdown. (Dchop/shock keyskills)

OblivionDanny · Apr 21, 2010, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

What I'm saying is that SW sins, or pretty much every other sinbar with the exception of few, come closer to caster bars than they do to frontline bars.

Ok, so what? I think you'll find conjure warriors had the same amount of spells/melee attacks as an SW sin. What you meant to say (again) was that SW is OP... its ok we understood you the first time.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

As a sin, you don't have to worry too much about positioning

Hope you're joking... right? I think you should try playing Sin sometime.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

You don't have to worry about team coordination, cuz as you said yourself, you usually don't even play with vent. And you don't have to worry about tactics, because again, you play without vent.

Let me rephrase that for you...

You don't have to worry about team coordination, cuz as you said yourself, you NEVER even play with vent because vent isnt need to coordinate a team unless your playing with pugs. And you don't have to worry about tactics, because again, you play with people who know the formats and know how to play the game using their own brain.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

A real warrior has got to do everything a SW sin has got to do, aswell as call, watch positioning, tactics, lineback and occasionally shutdown. (Dchop/shock keyskills)

Cool, but, we don't need our sins to do that... Our rit or monks calls, watchs positioning and tactics... why do people seem to think frontliners can only do this? o.O...

vinoth · Apr 21, 2010, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

A real warrior has got to do everything a SW sin has got to do, aswell as call, watch positioning, tactics, lineback and occasionally shutdown. (Dchop/shock keyskills)

If u do these right, u wont wipe as fast as u usually do. But unfortunately you do not do any of these but make up for your fail in QQ.

vinoth · Apr 21, 2010, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I actually wanted to reply to your post, untill I read one of the last sentences:

1) I never played frontline for you. If you concider IWAY frontliners, you're doing it wrong. If you concider that IWAY I formed a couple of weeks a go a srs team, go ahead. I can tell the difference between a pug and a friend team. I won't ever call anyone bad because he failed to form a pug team, pug teams mean nothing.

It was enough to observe how bad you play.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

2) Rezz Anna never plays real frontline. But concidering he ONLY plays SW (or other buttonbash sin bars), I can assume you were playing heway. No need to say more.

I called him as war not as sin. He is miles better than you. He can actually observe the map, look at skills flying around, predict rupts, land bulls, and other general intelligent play.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

3) I actually laughed at some of your statements

I hear its good to 'laugh it off' when you have no counter arguements.

Killed u man · Apr 21, 2010, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by vinoth

I called him as war not as sin. He is miles better than you. He can actually observe the map, look at skills flying around, predict rupts, land bulls, and other general intelligent play.

Only thing worth replying to.

How can you see he observes the map? How can U see he knows what skills are flying around, predict interrupts when he never runs anything else than sin, land a bulls when he never runs anything else than sin. You don't even use a voice com, so what: He types in teamchat every time he lands an interrupt, or when he's observing the map. Stop bs'ing around.

And by other intelligent play, you clearly mean the 3 times already I've seen him degen out at +-2 seconds after rezz timer on a 40/40 set in HoH.

But I never targetted him, or you in particular. I only said you guys were swayers, and you are. (You guys played balanced like what, 2-3 times tops?) Therefore, your vision on game balance is tainted. I've played balanced for well over 15K fame. I've played ritspike (and just about every other spike) for atleast 20K fame, I've played pressure builds (Including all the trashways) for about 15K fame aswell.

So yes, I did play hexway, and I do know it's as easy as I make it out to be.

vinoth · Apr 21, 2010, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Only thing worth replying to.

How can you see he observes the map? How can U see he knows what skills are flying around, predict interrupts when he never runs anything else than sin, land a bulls when he never runs anything else than sin. You don't even use a voice com, so what: He types in teamchat every time he lands an interrupt, or when he's observing the map. Stop bs'ing around.

And by other intelligent play, you clearly mean the 3 times already I've seen him degen out at +-2 seconds after rezz timer on a 40/40 set in HoH.

But I never targetted him, or you in particular. I only said you guys were swayers, and you are. (You guys played balanced like what, 2-3 times tops?) Therefore, your vision on game balance is tainted. I've played balanced for well over 15K fame. I've played ritspike (and just about every other spike) for atleast 20K fame, I've played pressure builds (Including all the trashways) for about 15K fame aswell.

So yes, I did play hexway, and I do know it's as easy as I make it out to be.

Just to clarify on the builds, people do not use warriors on a sway. The build i play is iway, however i have not been running it lately, cuz we have been gvging (with balance), just so we can get top 100 and flawless teams with the weakest build around.

The reason i say i can see what people play, is cuz iway works by splitting the opposition left right and center. Therefore, on plenty of occasions when i observe a war I know what he is doing and what he is rupting (because of animations). I also get an indication of the quality of war by the time it takes them to kill a team. If i take r12 + id 1 wars, they wont kill a thing for 10 + mins. When he was in the team, we killed relatively fast. If i think they are good, i give them another chance. Over multiple occasions i formed my opinion. He is not my best but he is definitly good compared to the other high ranked balance wars i have taken from id1, including you.

Just so you know. I am no way affiliated with him, his guild and I have long removed him from my flist for a mistake he repeated 2 x (which i will not go into). I am telling you this from a neutral point of view. I wanted to post cuz of your mindless victimisation of builds you consider 'face roll' by a player who is much better than you

Idk why an assasin needs a 40/40 set in hoh anyways? You mean dagger set? Perhaps. Before you talk about 'lame' , you should find out what the different weapon sets are called.

As far as balance play. I have done it on various occasions. I know for a fact, if you are good you can beat any team - obviously other good teams will be harder. When i face certain people in Ha, you just know you are getting free fame (you being one of them sorry). Good players win and bad players lose. The end.

I hear RA is a good place to start PvP.

Killed u man · Apr 21, 2010, 09:30 PM // 21:30

And do you believe I actually try when I join a pug IWAY? And again, being good at an IWAY warrior =/= being good at warrior. Even then, I've only joined one IWAY in the past 2-3 months, so I assume you were in there aswell. And I remember this so clearly, because I remember me carrying the team.

I was the only warrior who actually frequently landed a bull's, I was the only (litteraly the only) warrior who quarterstepped and I was one of the 2 Warriors that managed to quarter rupt a 1/4 after a Bull's. The other 3 warriors weren't bad IWAY warriors (SO you're not), but they definatly weren't anywhere close to me. The only thing I could note is that they all of them were atleast good enough to change targets after a target got quardian or a weapon spell.

I also remember dchopping LS 3 times in the UW match. I carried us...

I always say Rezz Anna only plays SW sin. I need to retract that statement. He also ran the LC necro in the old sway with SA. He was terrible at it, with his axe + offhand weapon set. (Lol, srsly, wtf)

*lemming* · Apr 22, 2010, 01:08 AM // 01:08

I hate all of you.