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Delete HB Already · Oct 17, 2010, 06:43 PM // 18:43

What do you think is the best build for monking in fort in fort aspenwood when you have both siege turtles in your base and you're solo monking? I run as follows:

Word of Healing
Mending Touch
Patient Spirit
Shielding Hands
Shield of Absorption
Cure Hex
Power Drain
Waste Not Want Not

The first two things you might notice is theres no guardian or prot spirit. Both are good skills but I feel that using prot spirit on gunther is not extremely effective especially with its 10 energy cost and using it on my self is not necessary as I do a good job minimizing my damage from siege attacks. I feel that Guardian is good when surviving assassins and warriors but not as effective as shielding hands or shield of absorption when you consider how many people are in your base. I have 40/40 sets for healing/prot/inspiration that I swap between with spells.

What do you use when monking for kurzick in fort aspenwood or what do you think works best when your base is getting terrorized?

jensyea · Oct 17, 2010, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Mo/Me? fail

monking in PvP has several options, Mo/W, Mo/A, Mo/D.

Mo/W; usage of q7/8 tactics shields, bonetti's defense/shield bash/balanced stance/wary stance. bonetti's and wary both make emanagement easy.

Mo/A; my personal favorite, defensive skills from the shadow atribbute line, return (so fun to see warriors/assassins limping your way while your jogging on).

Mo/D; easy defense, I love using armor of sanctity together with conviction, but it's not as effective as the warrior skills nor does it prevent knockdowns or provice energy.

Also, since you are running a hybrid, why don't you just take dismiss condition and RoF rather then mending and patient spirit? And there's also no need for both SH and SoA, just choose one and replace the other with Prot Spirit, no seriously, do it.

Here's an example bar;

WoH
Dismiss con
Reversal of Fortune
Shield of Absorbtion
Cure hex / Holy veil
and either;
Wary Stance + Shield Bash (<--- fun, works awsome)
Bonetti's Defense + Wary Stance (<--- easy, works good, awsome emanagement)
Bonetti's Defense + Disciplined Stance (<--- if you really suck and need the continuous protection)
Balanced Stance + Bonetti's Defense (<--- against knockdowns)

Schmerdro · Oct 17, 2010, 11:26 PM // 23:26

I think too many people think of FA like any other form PvP and don't bother specializing. You should keep in mind that, most of the time, you will have a gate between yourself and the enemy so you really shouldn't bring any defense against physical damage but instead focus on defense against spells. Also, you have to focus on keeping the NPC's alive, not the players (who are resurrected in a few seconds).

I've had a lot of success being the only Monk with this build:

Patient Spirit - mostly used as a cover enchantment against the Turtle's siege attack
Air of Enchantment - energy management
Guardian - also mostly as a cover, so this can be replaced with whatever
Shielding Hands
Shield of Absorption
Spotless Soul
Spotless Mind
Protective Spirit - very important against the Turtle's siege attack

I usually have a high energy staff (+20 energy and enchantment mod), a 40/20 staff for casting (with +20% enchantments) and a defensive set (spear + shield).

Zakarr · Oct 18, 2010, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I tried once something with Release Enchantments. It gives something like +250 party heal every 15 seconds without energy loss and alternatively can spam 5 energy prot enchantments. Something like this:

Release Enchantments
Reversal of Fortune
Reversal of Damage
Guardian
Shield of Absorption
Divine Spirit
Glyph of Renewal (E)

Don't remember 8th skill.

Healer's Boon + Heal Party is probably better for party healing, but tried something different for fun.

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro

I think too many people think of FA like any other form PvP and don't bother specializing. You should keep in mind that, most of the time, you will have a gate between yourself and the enemy so you really shouldn't bring any defense against physical damage but instead focus on defense against spells. Also, you have to focus on keeping the NPC's alive, not the players (who are resurrected in a few seconds).

I've had a lot of success being the only Monk with this build:

Patient Spirit - mostly used as a cover enchantment against the Turtle's siege attack
Air of Enchantment - energy management
Guardian - also mostly as a cover, so this can be replaced with whatever
Shielding Hands
Shield of Absorption
Spotless Spirit
Spotless Mind
Protective Spirit - very important against the Turtle's siege attack

I usually have a high energy staff (+20 energy and enchantment mod), a 40/20 staff for casting (with +20% enchantments) and a defensive set (spear + shield).

How do you defend against luxon players who hex you?

Calista Blackblood · Oct 18, 2010, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmerdro

I think too many people think of FA like any other form PvP and don't bother specializing. You should keep in mind that, most of the time, you will have a gate between yourself and the enemy so you really shouldn't bring any defense against physical damage but instead focus on defense against spells. Also, you have to focus on keeping the NPC's alive, not the players (who are resurrected in a few seconds).

I've had a lot of success being the only Monk with this build:

Patient Spirit - mostly used as a cover enchantment against the Turtle's siege attack
Air of Enchantment - energy management
Guardian - also mostly as a cover, so this can be replaced with whatever
Shielding Hands
Shield of Absorption
Spotless Spirit
Spotless Mind
Protective Spirit - very important against the Turtle's siege attack

I usually have a high energy staff (+20 energy and enchantment mod), a 40/20 staff for casting (with +20% enchantments) and a defensive set (spear + shield).

I hate to be nitpicky but I think you mean Spotless Soul :P And as above you have no self hex removal for the 11000 hexes you get thrown on you,SS,RH,Empathy,Backfire yadayada

eldo · Oct 18, 2010, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Since Soul Twisting buff i dont know why lukson side play FA, 2 st ryt = win on kurzik side, not fun at all.

Delete HB Already · Oct 18, 2010, 08:32 PM // 20:32

What skills do you run with soul twisting? I can kind of imagine a soul twisting Roy neon useful but perhaps not as effective as a monk.

Schmerdro · Oct 19, 2010, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Zakarr

How do you defend against luxon players who hex you?

The same way I defend against any type of spell: Protective Spirit + Patient Spirit, sometimes Shielding Hands too. Air of Enchantments makes that a viable and flexible strategy. Plus, when and IF you get pushed to the Green Gate, you can keep the Kurzick Mesmer alive and he can interrupt most of the enemy spells.

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Originally Posted by Calista Blackblood

I hate to be nitpicky but I think you mean Spotless Soul :P

Good catch. I edited it now.

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Originally Posted by Calista Blackblood

And as above you have no self hex removal for the 11000 hexes you get thrown on you,SS,RH,Empathy,Backfire yadayada

Yes, just like all other builds, this is not invulnerable :P

And, just an fyi, Empathy and Reckless Haste are only good against physical attackers, not casters :P Yes, I actually had Mesmers cast Empathy on me before, it was really sad.

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Originally Posted by eldo

Since Soul Twisting buff i dont know why lukson side play FA, 2 st ryt = win on kurzik side, not fun at all.

I LOVE that build. I play it when I'm not feeling energetic enough to Monk. This is what I use:

Soul Twisting
Shelter - indispensable against the Turtle's Siege Attack
Union - the 2nd most important spirit, try to cast this AFTER Shelter not before
Displacement - just something to put when you have nothing better to do
Mend Body And Soul - can be replaced with Holy Veil or something like that
Energetic Was Lee Sa
Boon of Creation
Spirit's Gift - you'll be surprised how that little healing can keep your spirits alive quite longer

It's always fun to see the Luxons express their confusion in Local Chat: "Where is the blocking coming from?" or "How come I'm dealing so little damage?"

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Originally Posted by Delete HB Already

I can kind of imagine a soul twisting Roy neon useful but perhaps not as effective as a monk.

Playing the Soul Twisting Rit is only a good idea when you're confident that you're going to have a decent team, with at least one Monk and some good damage dealers.

Wish Swiftdeath · Oct 19, 2010, 03:11 AM // 03:11

I just roll a GvG monk build and win with that, infuse ftw

Calista Blackblood · Oct 19, 2010, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro

And, just an fyi, Empathy and Reckless Haste are only good against physical attackers, not casters :P Yes, I actually had Mesmers cast Empathy on me before, it was really sad.

I know this,my point was that quite a few people don't.Same as people playing physical classes hexed with them are quite often dumb enough to continue attacking

The ability to keep yourself clean if needs be is always usefull

Hugh Manatee · Oct 20, 2010, 02:28 AM // 02:28

3 skills I staple to my monk's bar in FA:

Dwayna's kiss, there will be so much crap piled on the NPCs its like infuse...

Shield of Absorption, Makes an nPC invincible for it's duration, the "love taps" will juice it up to where the big spikes do 0 damage.

Protective Spirit, you have to prot VS the seige, doesn't matter how hard you push the red bar, with no prot spirit the NPC will die when you burn out your energy redbaring.

Things that help, a speed boost to get from place to place and put out fires is good. A cover for your 2 prots, paitient spirit, shielding hands, even heal breeze w/e. This is one of few places where Healing Hands and healing seed also doesn't suck, you get weakass foes tapping the guy, the triggered heals will override the big damage, put HH on gunth and watch him go from near 0 to full health.

Also not an entirely bad thing, i'm finding, to give your elite over to RoJ. Take the 3 basic non elites above(DK, SoA and PrtSprt), a speed boost, and you can multitask if you have to. I pretty much held the gates with the healyproty crap and nuked the turtle myself(it took 2 RoJ hits to die) then ran amber. The Longbows go down in 1 application of a level 16 roj if you wand each once.

Elnino · Nov 11, 2010, 07:32 AM // 07:32

At one point, I ran:

Word of Healing
Patient Spirit
Signet of Rejuvenation
Cure Hex
Guardian
Dismiss Condition
Castigation Signet
Glyph of Lesser Energy

Great support and great energy management. Only cost is that you have to have decent field vision to defend yourself (pre-protting guardian on yourself after seeing a melee run towards you etc.). But if you run it right, it's fun as hell, I mean, you get to help kill stuff too

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

A cover for your 2 prots, paitient spirit, shielding hands, even heal breeze w/e

You could drop all healing prayers and use reversal of damage as your cover enchantment. Use it just before the siege attack and that way, the damage is reduced and dealt back to the turtle

*lemming* · Nov 11, 2010, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Why run glyph on a bar with only 5e skills? That's the equivalent of just half a pip of energy.

roysland · Nov 11, 2010, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Since I never know how many monks we'll get on the team, I usually run a standard WoH bar with one or two tactic stances. My saved template is something like:

Patient spirit
WoH
Dwaynas Kiss
Draw Conditions
Mending touch
Remove hex / Veil
Deny Hexes
Balanced Stance / Bonettis

After a game or two, you pretty much know what to expect of the opposition. In games with few or no hexes, there's no point in bringing double hex removal. Imo, there actually just one crucial skill here, which never leaves my bar; Draw conditions. You can pretty much bet that all builds by the opposition have at least one condition spreading skill. When facing lots of melee, the lack of guardian becomes obvious.

The major flaw with this build is the ability of keeping gate guards and the jugger alive, which in sense, is a game winner. The Air of Enchantment build posted earlier is better at that. Watchful Healing is actually pretty useful for the kurzick side, since Turtles remove enchantments. It's cheap and fuels Deny Hexes.

For me, FA is a place to test out new builds. I've also tried builds with Aura of Faith, Boon Signet and Blessed Light, all with it's pros and cons. One thing to keep in mind is that your NPC allies are the key to victory, not your teammates.

Elnino · Nov 11, 2010, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by lemming

Why run glyph on a bar with only 5e skills? That's the equivalent of just half a pip of energy.

Well, for a number of different reasons:

1)For a challenge - not using warrior/sin stances etc
2)For lack of a better option, although I did use hex breaker instead at one point. Even hammer bash lol
3)Every little bit helps - especially in the green when you're pushing into a high-set.
4)Because I play for fun

Kydd · Nov 11, 2010, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by Elnino

Well, for a number of different reasons:

1)For a challenge - not using warrior/sin stances etc
2)For lack of a better option, although I did use hex breaker instead at one point. Even hammer bash lol
3)Every little bit helps - especially in the green when you're pushing into a high-set.
4)Because I play for fun

You found using glyph of lesser energy more fun than using hammer bash? I'm suprised.

Elnino · Nov 12, 2010, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Kydd

You found using glyph of lesser energy more fun than using hammer bash? I'm suprised.

Fourth statement is of the build, as a whole. Of course hammer bash is way more fun to use but from the scenario the OP gave, you won't have time to gain the adrenaline or go around knocking down people when the green is being swarmed.

FoxBat · Nov 12, 2010, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Run leech sig or something. Same energy, far more amusing.