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Regina Buenaobra · Jan 11, 2011, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Hi, everyone.

As you may remember, we had some issues with a frozen ladder over the New Year period. We noticed that the discussion around this brought up the question of whether we would reset the ladder.

We talked it over with the Live Team, and now it is your time to decide: Do you want the GvG ladder to be reset for a fresh start, or do you want to keep it as it is?

Please cast your vote in our survey. The poll will close at 6:00 PM PST on January 17th!

Ariena Najea · Jan 11, 2011, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Thank you for notifying us of the survey!

There was not a section for comments, however, I think the existing ladder should be archived for the reset. A separate page should be added (and linked to on the official Ladder page) for previous ladder standings pre-reset to honor the legends (like rawr, dP, etc) that earned their place in the rankings.

galactic · Jan 11, 2011, 03:31 AM // 03:31

I like champ points.

*lemming* · Jan 11, 2011, 03:56 AM // 03:56

A ladder reset would probably be a good idea. If you care enough about the ladder that you'd reset it, though, you should also fix your inactivity rule for guilds being removed from the ladder. Two months is too long a period - two weeks, maybe shorter, would work better.

As an aside, and at the risk of sounding "elitist," I feel like the public's opinion on an issue that only a tiny minority understands or cares about isn't worthwhile for basing a decision on.

If you're planning on archiving the top ladder guilds as was done back during ladder seasons, it's meaningless to do it unless inactive guilds that would be appearing in the top 20/100/whatever the cutoff is are going to appear on it.

diabiosx · Jan 11, 2011, 04:01 AM // 04:01

What are you trying to accomplish with the ladder reset? What does Fresh start mean? I would think fresh start means new comers would get a chance to rise to the top but I cant see that happening. Fresh start wouldnt mean anything if its going to be the same 100 or so group of people climbing to the top under different names. I really dont think it will be worth your time to implement just this, I would love to see an effort to entice people to go into gvg(rewards for beginners.)

I would love to see a rework to the ratings system. I personally believe that seeing a negative rating is just psychologically off putting to most people, just like having a XP death penalty in most games, its almost like the game is telling them they suck, no one wants to feel that way. I would love to see a system where you dont lose anything rating and can only gain rating and have change champ range be changed to top 100 in ladder position 2weeks after each ladder reset of 3months to accomendate rating inflation.
I believe this will actually be good for ladder activity since if the top guilds dont play, low tier guilds can actually grind their way to top 100 and have a chance at champ range matches. This will be a huge incentive for both sides beginners and experienced players to actually want to play gvg. The experience guys wanting to keep their position as #1(all the best japanese street fighter 4 players are position wh*res[diago umehara, the best in sf4(winner e.v.o. 2009+2010) is rank 1 in the arcade ranking system they have in japanese arcades.{ http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/j...rcade-edition/ }most of the people in that list are regular tournament winners]) and the beginners wishing for a chance to grind top. The upside to grinding is that they will just natually get better playing more. And here is the kicker, since all top tier players know champ points mean nothing, you have a carrot on a stick to force beginners to play gvg(they are training themselves to be quality players, you get people to play in your arena) Hell it will even encourage pugging/experimentation since losing wont hurt. And ladder manipulation to obtain champ point will not be possible since they will be in obs mode and every1 can just screeen to report.

The old system when compared, a guild can sit on top forever and will have no one challenge them(look at rawr got 1600+rating and just never play in that guild to maintain #1 til this day even. This also shows that being number is very important which is why rawr wont risk losing #1 by playing in that guild)

while you are at it, why dont you make a poll to ask what would make beginners want to consider playing GvG.

Guild Wars isnt very Guild Warsish without actually having guild wars as a focus in game. This game should really be renamed to Tyria Wars. Plz make the name Guild Wars mean what it was intended to be.

Leigh The Legendary · Jan 11, 2011, 04:30 AM // 04:30

this will only add fuel to the fire i'm afraid. good luck with your poll!

Reflected. · Jan 11, 2011, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Sadly, I don't think you should reset the ladder.

If you do, the world will come to the realization on how dead the game is when there are only 100 guilds in the top 1000.

Rites · Jan 11, 2011, 04:35 AM // 04:35

i kinda have to agree with lemming, a public vote on something that 70% or more of the public really doesn't participate in, doesn't make sense

[DE] · Jan 11, 2011, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

A ladder reset would probably be a good idea. If you care enough about the ladder that you'd reset it, though, you should also fix your inactivity rule for guilds being removed from the ladder. Two months is too long a period - two weeks, maybe shorter, would work better.

As an aside, and at the risk of sounding "elitist," I feel like the public's opinion on an issue that only a tiny minority understands or cares about isn't worthwhile for basing a decision on.

If you're planning on archiving the top ladder guilds as was done back during ladder seasons, it's meaningless to do it unless inactive guilds that would be appearing in the top 20/100/whatever the cutoff is are going to appear on it.

I was going to explain my reasoning for voting for a reset but Lemming summed up my feelings quite well.

Auron of Neon · Jan 11, 2011, 05:58 AM // 05:58

I wouldn't mind more info from ArenaNet. What do you expect the ladder reset to solve or address? Are you implementing other PvP changes that might spark fresh interest in GvG?

Given the shift of PvP focus from ladder grinding to daily and monthly tournaments, the ladder has been mostly ignored by everyone. Is there something new and exciting that is supposed to come out of this change, or is it simply going to be a fresh ladder for everyone to ignore again?

Jeydra · Jan 11, 2011, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

As an aside, and at the risk of sounding "elitist," I feel like the public's opinion on an issue that only a tiny minority understands or cares about isn't worthwhile for basing a decision on.

Not to mention a voluntary sample is a recipe for disaster ...

But thumbs up to a ladder reset, as soon as possible too.

Leohan · Jan 11, 2011, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Will we see the result of this poll, or is it just a way to for Anet to use the community as a scapegoat to say "Hey not our fault we reset the ladder" the community made the choice.

What is the ultimate point of resetting the guild ladder? It bugged for 2 weeks, so now we'll wipe out peoples accomplishments of months if not years. Will the numbers of all the guilds be set to zero, as in all the wins, loses, ratings be wiped? There is just not enough information given to what Anet is wanting to do with the ladder.
My vote is NO.

KPEATOP · Jan 11, 2011, 06:38 AM // 06:38

I must say that Lemming has right.
I have never made it to top 100 and at first i have said: RESET. But if you think one more time you`ll realize that a single reset won`t give us any credits.

FoxBat · Jan 11, 2011, 06:55 AM // 06:55

A single reset would do jack. Follow the link though and you'll see were Anet is going... regular ladder resets. Theory being that teams could set a goal to reach X rank in the current "season." That opens the question whether you would be offering rewards or QPs or end-season tournies or whatever to shift some of the focus of competition from ATs to ladder, even if just partially and to better support people who have no shot of mAT placement - the latter being important if you want more than ~50 guilds playing. I also cynically wonder if this is their "tiebreaker" solution, from the golden days of GW when people ground ladder wins rather than fighting for every match.

Wiping the ladder every 3 months is also a very different animal from removing 3 month inactives. Guilds that ground their way up to champ range and then play once in a blue moon to keep their status are not going to work.

I Jonas I · Jan 11, 2011, 07:08 AM // 07:08

A reset will make it very hard for guilds to make it into champ range. There's only maybe 100 guilds that are still playing the game, and of that 100 the average skill level is pretty crazy high. There aren't enough new guilds to elevate as many of the active guilds into champ range as there are now. I'd have been in favor of resetting the ladder once every year or once every 6 months post-Nightfall's release, but I think it's a case of too little too late at this point

ErrantVenture · Jan 11, 2011, 07:16 AM // 07:16

Poll on guru doesn't make sense. This thread should be on Teamquitter, not here.
Monthly ladder resets should have been instituted years ago though.
Champ title doesn't mean anything anymore anyway.

Ariena Najea · Jan 11, 2011, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Auron of Neon

I wouldn't mind more info from ArenaNet. What do you expect the ladder reset to solve or address? Are you implementing other PvP changes that might spark fresh interest in GvG?

Given the shift of PvP focus from ladder grinding to daily and monthly tournaments, the ladder has been mostly ignored by everyone. Is there something new and exciting that is supposed to come out of this change, or is it simply going to be a fresh ladder for everyone to ignore again?

Last we heard, there were plans in the works to add a HoH-style chest for the winning team. We also know that they are looking into alternatives to the current tiebreaker mechanic.

As for the ladder being ignored, the ladder is somewhat active around the 1000 rating. New GvG guilds stand no chance in an AT against more experienced teams, and need some time against other new players to get a handle on their skillbars and basic tactics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxbat

A single reset would do jack. Follow the link though and you'll see were Anet is going... regular ladder resets. Theory being that teams could set a goal to reach X rank in the current "season." That opens the question whether you would be offering rewards or QPs or end-season tournies or whatever to shift some of the focus of competition from ATs to ladder, even if just partially and to better support people who have no shot of mAT placement - the latter being important if you want more than ~50 guilds playing. I also cynically wonder if this is their "tiebreaker" solution, from the golden days of GW when people ground ladder wins rather than fighting for every match.

Wiping the ladder every 3 months is also a very different animal from removing 3 month inactives. Guilds that ground their way up to champ range and then play once in a blue moon to keep their status are not going to work.

If a periodic ladder wipe is made, Champion rating would mostly likely need to be lowered. As FoxBat notes, offering incentives for top tier players to play on the ladder wouldn't hurt.

brad monk · Jan 11, 2011, 07:33 AM // 07:33

This can bring back alot of people !! Reset every 3 or 6 months great idea!

infi · Jan 11, 2011, 08:07 AM // 08:07

i woudn't mind to reset ladder. it doesn't change anything for anyone but atleast it is any changes for a fcking loooong period.

Missing HB · Jan 11, 2011, 08:23 AM // 08:23

Well , i wouldn't mind a ladder reset as long as we're told how it would improve situation in GvG. Even if i considered i was a top gvg player , it would be fun for 2-3 weeks until the top100 is the same than it is now and that's all ?
The best it will do in fact , is that there will be many activity in GvG for like 1-2 week since everyone will be at same rank , but after.....

I think they should concentrate on finding ways to fix inactivity instead of doing such things seriously...