Curse

superraptors · Jan 17, 2012, 12:50 AM // 00:50

spotless soul is probably the best choice energy wise and during longer matches, so you are probably better off not bring any condition removals and wait for a decent team or not play physical at all, the amount of physical hate is blown out of proportion.

Terrible Surgeon · Feb 22, 2012, 08:02 AM // 08:02

run a caster sin with starburst and watch eles explode

Tryndamere · Feb 26, 2012, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I've been complaining about Blinding Surge/Flash for the longest time, now. It's just too spammable and rewards 1-1-1-1-1-1-1'ing while completely removing melee from the game. Not to mention it's OP in smaller arenas, too. I got tired long ago, and quit playing GW1 since then. Nothing's changed. Same OP blind til the very end of GW1, it seems.

Fitz Chivalry · Feb 26, 2012, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by superraptors

spotless soul is probably the best choice energy wise and during longer matches, so you are probably better off not bring any condition removals and wait for a decent team or not play physical at all, the amount of physical hate is blown out of proportion.

lol

"all the physical hate is blown out of proportion"

"don't play physical at all"

You win at making sense...

|VoID| · Feb 26, 2012, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Tryndamere

I've been complaining about Blinding Surge/Flash for the longest time, now. It's just too spammable and rewards 1-1-1-1-1-1-1'ing while completely removing melee from the game. Not to mention it's OP in smaller arenas, too. I got tired long ago, and quit playing GW1 since then. Nothing's changed. Same OP blind til the very end of GW1, it seems.

Something has changed...
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shockwave
...unfortunately in the wrong way.

Zozio · Feb 28, 2012, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by urania

shockwave/bflash/b surge spam>draw.

need i remind you draw is 4 s re and an energy drainer to start with?

what you need to do is shut down the source of blind, be it through attun strip, locking the skill or remove the cond with ff. draw is just the last resort.

moreover, weakness makes physical threat equally useless as blind does, which only further supports the fact you need to deal with the source of cond spam rather than only with removal.

its a lot how proper skill balance should look like

Yes, because the chance to actually get an ff necro and a monk carrying draw is really high in RA... A monk should be able to draw offensively as soon as the condition in applied. If used at the right time, it's not really energy consuming as you're gonna have to heal less, since your team is able to apply pressure.

Azazello · Feb 28, 2012, 04:29 PM // 16:29

How to solve blind as r/mo:
http://www.guildwiki.org/Distracting_Shot
http://www.guildwiki.org/Magebane_Shot
http://www.guildwiki.org/Mending_Touch

Fitz Chivalry · Feb 28, 2012, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Azazello

How to solve blind as r/mo:
http://www.guildwiki.org/Distracting_Shot
http://www.guildwiki.org/Magebane_Shot
http://www.guildwiki.org/Mending_Touch

Haha lol.

Because interrupting a 3/4 cast time spell while you're blind is easy compared to an ele spamming it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not possible to interrupt bsurge, it's very possible specially with eles that are predictable and just mash buttons as soon as the cd is up. But don't compare the skill of doing it compared to what the ele is doing.

Honestly that skill is retarded and promotes tunnel vision play, even a longer recharge time would've been off set by a 40/40 set...

vinoth · Feb 28, 2012, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Friend,

I play axe war everytime I log in. As a war, you should have -20% in ur armour. Then if you face a blind bot, switch to your blind set. Use your -40% blind set with a spear to gain adrelin from far away. Train the blinder, and count its recharge and strike ur dchop. 9/10 times it works. If it does not, train the blinder and when its past 6 seconds and he runs, he is going to use it when he stops, so u can get ur dchop then. Blind should be least of ur worries. Weakness is more annoying.

Fitz Chivalry · Feb 28, 2012, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by vinoth

Friend,

I play axe war everytime I log in. As a war, you should have -20% in ur armour. Then if you face a blind bot, switch to your blind set. Use your -40% blind set with a spear to gain adrelin from far away. Train the blinder, and count its recharge and strike ur dchop. 9/10 times it works. If it does not, train the blinder and when its past 6 seconds and he runs, he is going to use it when he stops, so u can get ur dchop then. Blind should be least of ur worries. Weakness is more annoying.

Why would an ele bsurge you when you're in dchop range... you're assuming the ele you play with is retarded and doesn't move and stands still while you hack away at him

Azazello · Feb 28, 2012, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Fitz Chivalry

Haha lol.

Because interrupting a 3/4 cast time spell while you're blind is easy compared to an ele spamming it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's not possible to interrupt bsurge, it's very possible specially with eles that are predictable and just mash buttons as soon as the cd is up. But don't compare the skill of doing it compared to what the ele is doing.

Honestly that skill is retarded and promotes tunnel vision play, even a longer recharge time would've been off set by a 40/40 set...

If you can't interrupt 3/4 spells that you're camping, you shouldn't be playing ranger. I have 400-600ms and I can't, so I don't. If you think you have better things to do than camp bsurge till you dshot it, I think I know why you're having trouble with blind.

Anyway, the issue seems to be that bsurge/shockwave are OP if:
1. Your monk sucks or you don't have one
2. Your ranger sucks
3. Your necro sucks or you don't have one
and
4. You don't have nightfall

I have to say, I agree with you.

Fitz Chivalry · Feb 28, 2012, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Azazello

If you can't interrupt 3/4 spells that you're camping, you shouldn't be playing ranger. I have 400-600ms and I can't, so I don't. If you think you have better things to do than camp bsurge till you dshot it, I think I know why you're having trouble with blind.

Anyway, the issue seems to be that bsurge/shockwave are OP if:
1. Your monk sucks or you don't have one
2. Your ranger sucks
3. Your necro sucks or you don't have one
and
4. You don't have nightfall

I have to say, I agree with you.

Where did I say shockwave was op or bsurge ? I didn't start a thread whining about blind.

Also, I like how you're basically saying.

Have a monk + ranger + necro on your team or you suck. Do you even read what you type? You're basically saying that, if you don't have a ranger to dshot bsurge or a necro to keep you clean with foul feast or a monk to waste energy spamming draw you're screwed.

Yes 1 Elite that does that on a fast recharge + DMG is too much. But then again, i guess nobody cares because TA doesn't exist any more.

Azazello · Feb 29, 2012, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Fitz Chivalry

Have a monk + ranger + necro on your team or you suck.

Or mesmer, but yes, your RA team is likely to suck if you have no monk, no ranger, and no necro, whether or not you're capable of handling blind. There's a definite distinction between 'and' and 'or' here, since any one of those characters can shut out the blind problem, you don't need all three. Seems like you don't understand that, or you're deliberately misquoting me, which is it? This is not new news btw. As was said on the last page, if you can't keep your physicals clean your team is not going far. Welcome to guild wars?

Granted, the damage is a bit over the top now. I've played blindbots a few years back, and I've played them recently, the difference is phenomenal. Spiking frenzying warriors for 350+ in under half a second (at minimal energy cost and recharge) is ridiculous for a defensive character that is so mindless to play. However, back then 500hps was fine and divine boon rof was a power heal. Plus, you kind of earned it if your team is training the monk like morons. Woot I pblocked guardian!

Swingline · Feb 29, 2012, 11:41 AM // 11:41

Blind has always been a problem but that's because without it melee would literally shit stomp everything. The two best anti-blind skills you can have on your Warrior bar is Antidote Signet or Sight Beyond Sight.

Antidote Signet = Multiple condition removal, zero energy. Great for when your facing multiple conditions

SBS = Removes blind on usage, makes you immune to blind for 8 seconds(9.6 with 20% enchant mod). Great for getting spikes through.

superraptors · Feb 29, 2012, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Blind has always been a problem but that's because without it melee would literally shit stomp everything. The two best anti-blind skills you can have on your Warrior bar is Antidote Signet or Sight Beyond Sight.

Antidote Signet = Multiple condition removal, zero energy. Great for when your facing multiple conditions

SBS = Removes blind on usage, makes you immune to blind for 8 seconds(9.6 with 20% enchant mod). Great for getting spikes through.

antidote - casting that 1 second to remove blind takes about all the pressure off that you've just applied and you will probably have blind applied again

sight beyond sight - to a lesser extent but even on a warrior the energy can slowly drain away when you are using this on recharge, but what makes this skill good is it provides immunity, downside is that it lasts too short on non-rit primary too make it worthy on a bar, by the time you've built adrenaline SBS will probably be over or close to over and you will most likely lose all your adrenaline when you are being blinded again and when you use this when you have full adrenaline, the pressure you've just unleashed will be insignificant and you will probably be able to unleash another spike in 30 seconds if you are being constantly blinded. A melee char will need to be constantly cleaned to apply any kind of pressure.

better off waiting for a foul feast necro or spotless soul monk or a mel resilience draw monk if anybody still runs it or a mesmer or ranger that can actually shutdown key skills.

Fitz Chivalry · Feb 29, 2012, 06:35 PM // 18:35

You know what, I'm a noob. I admit it. I haven't even been playing that long. I made a standard shockwave ele today in RA and got 25 wins 2 times in a row just spamming 3 buttons. Ebon hawk, stoning and shockwave.

Now tell me there isn't a problem with eles, I bet if I tried to play monk or warrior I wouldn't even get 10 wins.