Curse

360° · Aug 27, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco

most monks only bring veil, and use it poorly. the day i get a monk who can keep our team alive and use Veil and Spotless efficiently, is the day i go 78584 straight from RA.

It's really hard to bring Spotless at the moment though. I REALLY wish I could take it, but you gotta run a fortress build to survive and it doesn't really have any room for it.

Teh [prefession]-zorz · Aug 27, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

I run spotless cause of all the VoS+ect hate, imo kiting is better the running fortressway.

Krill · Aug 27, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

even better if it's a non attack one

Whatever happened to warriors running [disrupting dagger]? It still a great skill for RA.

Considering that it seems like half the teams now (leaving from int. district) are syncers, shitty melee builds without interrupts or fast kd's just won't cut the mustard or you'll get murdered by VoR and curses.

Fuzzy Taco · Aug 28, 2008, 02:54 AM // 02:54

[Fortress;OwEU04XBzKSNgaE3EQg5V1E6F4FA]

i hate that build so goddamn much, but i run it for wins.

kvndoom · Aug 28, 2008, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco

[Fortress;OwEU04XBzKSNgaE3EQg5V1E6F4FA]

i hate that build so goddamn much, but i run it for wins.

Ugh, I thought it was more like [draw conditions][mending touch][word of healing][shield bash][disciplined stance][defensive stance][bonetti's defense][shield stance].

Between tanking Monks and Mesmers slinging [empathy] and [visions of regret] everywhere, it really sucks to play melee these days.

X Cytherea X · Aug 28, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

aye. when i see a mo/w i say "pff, screw you", tab to the next softest target, and train it like a horny dog chasing a bitch in heat. with the fortress monk's lack of prots, and hopefully my caster allies bothering it to some extent, my target WILL fall.

then i see the sweet picture of WOH failing cuz it was a split second late

urania · Aug 28, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

any monk with brain takes guardian in ra. even as a mowwa. at least to me its pretty logical that as soon as i have to run cond removal, ill take guardian too.

and necros often take shield bash or grasping earth (if they're not some ss+reckless+faint spammers..)

if things really are that easy for you, then u must be incredibly lucky with ur opponents and teammates.

Puddin Cheeks · Aug 28, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

Ugh, I thought it was more like [draw conditions][mending touch][word of healing][shield bash][disciplined stance][defensive stance][bonetti's defense][shield stance].

Between tanking Monks and Mesmers slinging [empathy] and [visions of regret] everywhere, it really sucks to play melee these days.

All that is needed to kill you and your team [Signet of humility]. LOL

Krill · Aug 28, 2008, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

Ugh, I thought it was more like [draw conditions][mending touch][word of healing][shield bash][disciplined stance][defensive stance][bonetti's defense][shield stance].

Between tanking Monks and Mesmers slinging [empathy] and [visions of regret] everywhere, it really sucks to play melee these days.

LoL, isn't that the truth. Another reason why I love disrupting dagger, you can hit a lot of those hexes on the VoR bar (diversion, VoR and backfire sadly) to relieve pressure from your monk and then smash the hell out of them when your dinky empathy is close to expiring. It seems a lot of times the monks that only spam patient spirit and WoH will first hit patient spirit when they see a bar going down fast, then WoH, but if you're doing dev hammer and hit the heavy blow, then crushing it's too late. Gota chuckle when someone dies with a patient spirit animation hovering over their corpse.

X Cytherea X · Aug 28, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by urania

any monk with brain takes guardian in ra.

meh. guardian fails half the time. and duals give me 2 chances to hit. and moebius has 2 sec recharge. so yeah i usually ignore it.

the days of monkstomp are over! when some guy in RA says "attack the monk" i just say "no i dont have to"

DarkNecrid · Aug 28, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

It had to be done:

[build prof=Me/E Water=12 Fast=12+1][Water Attunement][Mirror of Ice][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Ice Spikes][Freezing Gust][Shard Storm][Blurred Vision][Resurrection Signet][/build]

how to play:
step a: use Attune & Mirror of Ice
step b: find melee and BV it. Then find high threat caster and roll face over keyboard on rest of skill bar. If there is no caster, roll face over kb on the BV melee.

w00t

Good thing this is being fix'd soon cause even 1 of em runs through a health bar pretty quickly, especially when the Monk doesn't expect it.

Lest121 · Aug 29, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Tearz1993

Those monk builds remind me why ANet doesn't care about RA.

Yep............RA and all the other arenas need a skill split, so they nerf garbage in RA and leave other stuff intact in other arenas, I have ran into some really cheap crap like HB sin, goes through all my defense, stance my guardian gets pwned by a HB sin, Anet needs to fix and nerf a lot of stuff in RA, i only play in RA because it's hard to find groups in HA or TA, but saying this is a waste of time because Anet never listens, all they care about is GVG while other people who enjoy PvP on a smaller scene have to put up with Trash/cheap builds.

Byron · Aug 29, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Take a hex removal on your waru bar. Most hate spammers are fire and forget. My preferred is a veil on your standard eviscerate axe bar, though smite hex with some spec is fun.

Riotgear · Aug 29, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja

Yep............RA and all the other arenas need a skill split, so they nerf garbage in RA and leave other stuff intact in other arenas, I have ran into some really cheap crap like HB sin, goes through all my defense, stance my guardian gets pwned by a HB sin, Anet needs to fix and nerf a lot of stuff in RA, i only play in RA because it's hard to find groups in HA or TA, but saying this is a waste of time because Anet never listens, all they care about is GVG while other people who enjoy PvP on a smaller scene have to put up with Trash/cheap builds.

Most of what's causing problems in arenas isn't really effective anywhere else. They don't need a skill split, they need to balance it for once. Every patch adds more broken shit with the dartboard buffs and it's only ever cleaned up if it affects GvG.

Krill · Aug 29, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

Most of what's causing problems in arenas isn't really effective anywhere else. They don't need a skill split, they need to balance it for once. Every patch adds more broken shit with the dartboard buffs and it's only ever cleaned up if it affects GvG.

+1

What good did the buffs to VoR and Wastrel's Worry bring? Izzy fixes one problem (SoM) and then adds a new one (VoR). Simply mind boggling how these buffs have been implemented.

kvndoom · Aug 29, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by arienrhode

+1

What good did the buffs to VoR and Wastrel's Worry bring? Izzy fixes one problem (SoM) and then adds a new one (VoR). Simply mind boggling how these buffs have been implemented.

Generally people only with a PVE mindset think that there have to be buffs to make up for nerfs. Sometimes shit just needs to die, and nothing needs to take its place. Did Izzy somehow think Memsers were no longer strong without SoM?

Fuzzy Taco · Aug 29, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

mesmers went from the SoM mash-face-on-keyboard-and-win to the VoR roll-face-etc.

all these hexes (VoR, Soul Bind, WoD) makes structuring monk bars just dumb. I admit, though i try to keep it on my bar as much as possible, i just can't fit Spotless in there without losing something i might end up needing. you need stances or SB/Return, you need redbar skills, you need Guardian (yeah, i run Dual stance without it, but that's gay and, for the most part, bad) and you need dual cond removal. Spotless can be passed up on if you're good about preveiling and covering Veil with Guardian vs. ench removing hexers (read: any decent bar with hexes.) some things you can blur the lines on, but really, monk bars are becoming static static static. remember when i posted the ZB bar - any more the ZB spike dont work that much but its fairly effective. very weak against any type of RA meta and no redbar is a costly lack of a skill. i've still screwed around with MoC which i love, but Disc Stance is a dumb skill not to have. anything that doesn't pack Return/Dark Escape/Bash/other self defense best be damn good at watching the field and Guardianing on a 40% HCT set. Honestly, i've been staying out of Intl/Korean districts because monking against 2-3 WoDs, Soul Binds or VoRs isn't fun anymore.

Ec]-[oMaN · Aug 29, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco

mesmers went from the SoM mash-face-on-keyboard-and-win to the VoR roll-face-etc.

Herein lies the problem with Izzy, all you get is one imba skill which at one point he buffed to become stupid sick, then it gets nerfed to uselessness, and to return his favor he buffs another skill instead on the same profession. Pretty amazing how you go from melee who can't connect a hit let alone build adren, to melee+casters who can't do dick for x amount of time. May as well add in here that it's also funny how the sundering attack/pen attack got the nerf because the dmg was just ridiculous, now we have instead experts dexterity which is just even more,except now sloth does just crazy dmg and and debil shot is just plain out nasty, gud balance.

Krill · Aug 30, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Taco

Honestly, i've been staying out of Intl/Korean districts because monking against 2-3 WoDs, Soul Binds or VoRs isn't fun anymore.

Same, unless I'm playing ff nec or a real mesmer bar. Then I like the challenge because it honestly seems like 15-25% of the teams faced leaving from int. district are syncers from the asian districts.

Fuzzy Taco · Aug 30, 2008, 12:09 PM // 12:09

this build has had the most success so far with all the friggin' hexes everywhere.

[Patient Spirit][Word of Healing][Draw Conditions][Guardian][Mending Touch][Signet of Rejuvenation][Holy Veil][Hex Breaker]

Sig means you can maintain energy levls for Draw + MTouch, and be good with Guardian due to lack of defensive stances.