Curse

JR · May 30, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

If we assume for a moment that what you said is correct (which it is not), then it all depends on whether your 3 can out damage their 3.5. It is more than possible.

Possible, yes, but it's hardly putting your team at an advantage.

TheHaxor · May 30, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by JR

Possible, yes, but it's hardly putting your team at an advantage.

It is dependent on the right teammates, just like most mesmer bars are that get play in RA. Mesmers are amazing in RA when you have the right team makeup, but they are pretty subpar in most other situations. While the dom e-denial bars do have damage to give in situations where your team needs it, I simply wouldn't run any mesmer in RA. I think it is way too dependent on team makeup to be successful. I am ignoring the SoM mesmers because those hardly count as anything.

Riotgear · May 30, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

It is dependent on the right teammates, just like most mesmer bars are that get play in RA. Mesmers are amazing in RA when you have the right team makeup, but they are pretty subpar in most other situations.

If you get the right teammates to carry you, you can get away with anything. I'd rather not be giving the other team a power play every game though because I decided to bring a shutdown bar that can't even cause a full character slot worth of lost effectiveness except in select situations.

Krill · May 30, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

I am ignoring the SoM mesmers because those hardly count as anything.

Well, thankfully that fad seems to be diminishing.

Awhile back I won like 40 in a row with a migraine mes that was also running poison tip signet, imagined burden conjure nightmare. I thought the poison sig was awfully silly but it did kinda make sense for RA...if he had nobody to migrane at least he had plenty of sustainable degen and a snare.

I'll never understand the mes's and ele's that basically plan to unload their bar and if that doesn't get a kill, game over for them.

Lord Natural · Jun 01, 2008, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by erk

In RA's 4v4 there is not much room for midline, you either have to do damage or heal to put it very very simplistically, it's not GvG with it's 3-4 midline players where you can afford to have characters dedicated to interrupt, e-denial, whatever. You can't rely on the other 3 randomly chosen team mates filling in for you, just because you felt like running an exotic e-denial build. Being random, it will fall into place every now and then, but statistically you will be behind the curve and loose more often than other builds do.

Exactly. That's not to say you can't get glad points with e-denial, since you can get points with just about anything. But as with most arena build discussions, it's all about glad point frequency and not "can you get 10 with <insert build here>". I'll take a Magebane over a dom or passive e-denial mes in RA/TA any day, simply because of its extra versatility (degen, res denial, less squishy). A good ranger will be able to make himself useful in almost all scenarios, whereas a dom or e-denial mes will be next to useless while facing a heavy physical team. More things have to go right for a dom/e-denial mes to get a good run going than for a decent ranger.

red orc · Jun 01, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by erk

In RA's 4v4 there is not much room for midline, you either have to do damage or heal to put it very very simplistically, it's not GvG with it's 3-4 midline players where you can afford to have characters dedicated to interrupt, e-denial, whatever. You can't rely on the other 3 randomly chosen team mates filling in for you, just because you felt like running an exotic e-denial build. Being random, it will fall into place every now and then, but statistically you will be behind the curve and loose more often than other builds do.

The right kind of midline in ra will max your glad point rate.
You have to combine pressure with damage mitigation/healing and you are godsent to your team. The thing is, most people dont know how to build midline for ra, nor how to run it, cause you need to prioritize your focus all the time on foes, your team members and you.

Killed u man · Jun 02, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

for real though, is there any viable Paragon build in RA that isn't that Lyssa spear build I just got owned by?

Paragon = badly designed, extremely OP 8v8 class... No, there isn't a good Para 4v4 scrimmage bar.

But if U wanna have a go at it anyways, something amonst these lines will work (Just sucking it out of mythumb atm):

[build prof=Paragon/Ranger Spear=12+1+1 Wilderness=9 Leadership=9+1 ][Barbed Spear][Maiming Spear][Merciless Spear][Stunning Strike][Apply Poison][Aggressive Refrain][Anthem of Flame][Resurrection Signet][/build]

Optional: Take out Maiming/Merciless for ["Brace Yourself!"], which is pro for helping out your casters, or Troll Unguent for self heal... (I rly don't care, just go with the flow)

Riotgear · Jun 02, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

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Originally Posted by tehshadowninjar

Whatever you guys think. It works VERY well for me.

I'd recommend that you read the first part of the sticky:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10228984

karunpav · Jun 02, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun And Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Savage Slash[/skill][skill]Conjure Frost[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

strong and brave.

DarkNecrid · Jun 09, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Me/Mo
12+1 Fast Casting
12 Healing Prayers
rest in inspiration

[Healers Covenant][channeling][orison of healing][patient spirit][cure hex][signet of rejuvenation][auspicious incantation][heal party]

it's a pretty fun build!

12
spam 3/4/6
use 5 when needed
78 to keep your energy going if you face e-denial.
Diversion = use 6.

Krill · Jun 10, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Bull's works great on R/W's, especially if you are not running thumper and have no other way to kd.

[build=RaO Sword;OgETQZrexBxCYYKbmcthh2IAAA]

Works just fine. Remember that RaO is a skill, not a stance so there are some skills that work advantageously with that too.

-Pluto- · Jun 13, 2008, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by -Pluto- ages ago

axe: 14
Str: 10
tac: 10
Smite: 3
[skill]Dismember[/skill][skill]symbolic strike[/skill][skill]Signet of Judgment[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Bull's strike[/skill][skill]Resurrection signet[/skill]

They buffed my RA build!

GourangaPizza · Jun 13, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

[skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Symbolic Strike[/skill][skill]Bull's Strike[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Antidote Signet[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

More reason to roll out Symbolic Strike these days.

Living Parasite · Jun 13, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

Ranger/Para
11+1+1 Beast Mastery
8+1 Expertise
11 Spear Mastery

Predatory Bond
Call of Haste
Tiger's Fury
Blazing Spear
Enraged Lunge
Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Rez Sig

Good DPS build. Get a zealous spear and shield. Spam skills 1-5.

Krill · Jun 14, 2008, 08:59 AM // 08:59

[build=Resilience Feaster;OAJTYwDjVaPQoZMY3JB8xY4QAAA]

I'm sure it's been done before, but lewlies. Pretty much wrecks the SoM, wounding strike and R/P barbed spear + apply poison spam garbage. All still pretty common unfortunately :<

Kurt · Jun 14, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

I'll give that one a try :P

bungusmaximus · Jun 14, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by arienrhode

[build=Resilience Feaster;OAJTYwDjVaPQoZMY3JB8xY4QAAA]

I'm sure it's been done before, but lewlies. Pretty much wrecks the SoM, wounding strike and R/P barbed spear + apply poison spam garbage. All still pretty common unfortunately :<

Lol I played a build like that, if you wanna be an ass you just stand in the lava and fire away

. I'd lose d-shot for faint or plague sending tho, but that would make it less exotic.

kostolomac · Jun 15, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08

[build=energy denial;OQdUASBPSfMnAVwPNnKD0AoABAA]
Since the buff to drain delusions you have great e-denial and management. I'm thinking of switching out empathy for mind wrack. Your thoughts on this build?

DarkNecrid · Jun 15, 2008, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Replace WW with Mind Wrack if you have to.

WW is crap on players.

kostolomac · Jun 15, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

After you drain them of energy , most of them just stand still , also WW is a nice way to force someone to use a skill , thus losing energy.