Curse

Dogmeat · Dec 05, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55

its a natural reaction for people to exagerate when things go badly for them. whether its lag, bad luck or hacks its a common trend in online games for people to look for something to blame rather than admit that there may have been something lacking on their own part. However its extremely rare that such people can actually back up their claims with evidence, and when evidence does actually turn up, in most cases it disproves the claims. The ratio of whining to legimitate complaints is quite disproportionate.

theres no way I can say with any authority that bubba is telling the truth or not. However without any sort of evidence the odds are things are not quite being reported as they really happened. There's also a few things going against the claim;

1) if such a hack existed, its use would not be a one off event. Other groups would have also been affected by a similar tactic and thus there would be other independent reports of such a tactic

2) if someone did go to trouble of creating an autokill hack then it would be unlikely they would have used it in such an obvious way. More likely they would have waited until the battle was actually going so as to avoid suspicion from other teams and/or arenanet who could possibly delete their account and pursue legal action against them

3) someone using a hack is not going to admit to it to a team they just used it on. No one is going to be stupid enough to risk losing their account that easily.

The most likely case is that the other team used a tactic like the mentioned EoE bomb, and a quick 5-10 second walkover win is being exaggerated into being a '1 second before the gate opened hack' loss. The player admitting to using a hack is probably just making fun of bubba for (a) angrily messaging him and (b) not understanding how he died so quickly to a legitimate (if abusive and lame) tactic

Bubba Lips · Dec 05, 2005, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Dogmeat

The most likely case is that the other team used a tactic like the mentioned EoE bomb, and a quick 5-10 second walkover win is being exaggerated into being a '1 second before the gate opened hack' loss. The player admitting to using a hack is probably just making fun of bubba for (a) angrily messaging him and (b) not understanding how he died so quickly to a legitimate (if abusive and lame) tactic

Gates hadn't opened comepletely yet how many times do i have to tell you.

OneArmedScissor · Dec 05, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Dancing Blade

Sry, i don't believe you. Imo you're probably just griefing because u got owned and dont have a sreenshot to back your accusations up.

Agreed.

If you're going to make a claim, it is your responsibility to back it up.

Rid Dic K · Dec 05, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Did you take a SS of the Time?

Bubba Lips · Dec 05, 2005, 06:08 PM // 18:08

i know if i was in ya'lls shoes i'd be saying the same thing.

If only i recorded it you would see for you own eyes.

Bubba Lips · Dec 05, 2005, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Rid Dic K

Did you take a SS of the Time?

No i'm afraid not, i wish i had.

I was too busy typing to my dumbfounded team.

Indian · Dec 05, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Amn_En_Tarsath

Since our guild has been doing EoE Bomb quite often i can assure you, the spirits' range is nowhere large enough to reach the other base. It is not even really large enough to reach the stairs when you fire it from under the bridge.

No clue what happened in your match, besides i had another strange occurence happening too. Was in the Hall of Heroes itself and while the introduction was still playing (Gates still closed) the other team allready captured the altar. No, i was not blind, we all saw it. Yes some of us made screenshots, yes we have sent them in. No i did not make one. No i won't go through the hassle of finding a host and uploading one of my other guildmates screenshots just because the GWGuru Community is obsessed with calling others liars.

you know right, in hall of heros the previous hall helders has the alter..
thats why you see "alter captured" even before game starting.

Volarian · Dec 05, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Ok I'm not digging for build clues as I don't have a Ranger and doubt I'll make one but I am curious about the EoE build.

I realize that with runes you can increase the max dmg limits listed on the original skill(s) but not to a point that I could see EoE causing that much dmg to an entire team (unless most or all were way below max health-Sup Runes etc.)

EoE shows max dmg to be in the 40's so I'd guess with Runes+ you could get it around 50 or low 50's? Then I would assume that 1 person from EoE build team must remain alive otherwise they would lose? So 7 x 55 isn't enough to take out ALL players imo.

Please note that I AM a PvP & Ranger noob, it's merely curiosity on how this could possibly work?

Glasswalker · Dec 05, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Amn_En_Tarsath

Since our guild has been doing EoE Bomb quite often i can assure you, the spirits' range is nowhere large enough to reach the other base. It is not even really large enough to reach the stairs when you fire it from under the bridge.

No clue what happened in your match, besides i had another strange occurence happening too. Was in the Hall of Heroes itself and while the introduction was still playing (Gates still closed) the other team allready captured the altar. No, i was not blind, we all saw it. Yes some of us made screenshots, yes we have sent them in. No i did not make one. No i won't go through the hassle of finding a host and uploading one of my other guildmates screenshots just because the GWGuru Community is obsessed with calling others liars.

Paragraph 1: That's going to depend entirely upon the map. Some are bigger than others. I haven't used EoE in ToPK, so I could neither confirm nor deny its usage here.

Paragraph 2: Let me respond quickly before one of my less tactful collegues berates your igorance. HoH is not like other King of the Hill maps. When you win HoH, you start the next round on the alter. The other teams have to knock you off. The only way you will ever see HoH start without someone having Capped, is if after the end of the match everyone on the winning team drops, OR if EOE kills everyone on the map and no one is left to Cap (this has in fact happened a time or two... or three). Sorry, no hack here.

And quoting Tarsath to back up the hack claim doesn't help your case much, Bubba. I understand that you feel cheated, and probably rightly so. I think his claim of hax was probably a joke in bad taste. If it were really a hack, there would be a lot of people who saw it that night, and chances are a few would post here. You must have had someone on your team with less than 365 life to start the chain reaction.

Once back in Shiverpeaks I ran into a group that tried this (yep, random arena). They laid down EoE before the match started and sacrificed right as the doors opened. Unfortunately for them, 52x3 is 156 and no one was that low in HP. They needed to bomb us twice to work it right, and we didn't give them time to do it. I can verify though that on at least that map, you can bomb one starting area from the other.

blahblahblackysheepy · Dec 05, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Although i wouldn't necessarily remove the idea of a hack being available. Before i bought the game i searched for them and found a website which allows you to download them ALTHOUGH you have to pay a monthly fee. Some of their forum thread topics contained phrases like HoH glitches revealed. The reason why these hacks aren't well circulated would be due to the fact of the monthly fee...and i doubt people who pay for these programs will put them on a P2P.

Bubba Lips · Dec 05, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

I understand the fact that EoE could have destroyed our party had we had left our base and engaged them then i would assume it was a synched EoE sacrifice.

But we were all in our base waiting for gates to completely open lol.

Indian · Dec 05, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Volarian

Ok I'm not digging for build clues as I don't have a Ranger and doubt I'll make one but I am curious about the EoE build.

I realize that with runes you can increase the max dmg limits listed on the original skill(s) but not to a point that I could see EoE causing that much dmg to an entire team (unless most or all were way below max health-Sup Runes etc.)

EoE shows max dmg to be in the 40's so I'd guess with Runes+ you could get it around 50 or low 50's? Then I would assume that 1 person from EoE build team must remain alive otherwise they would lose? So 7 x 55 isn't enough to take out ALL players imo.

Please note that I AM a PvP & Ranger noob, it's merely curiosity on how this could possibly work?

warrior can max till lvl8 =43 dmg
ranger can max till lvl11 = 58 dmg i believe

total players: 16
dmg takers: 15
survivor: 1

so 15 x 58 = 870 dmg approx.

only way to survive is get outta eoe range
or have Fertile Season dropped
or another team player with mark of protection

now usually bombers do 2 bombs 1 after another to get rid of some survivors

so u can say next bomb could be
(7 x 58) + wutever survivors from 1st attack

hope it helps u resolve ur confusion

Fr3sH · Dec 05, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Nope, had to be eoe.

OneArmedScissor · Dec 05, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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we barely had enough time to leave our base before we all died

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the doors barely had time to open and we all died. (1-2 seconds playing time)

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Gates hadn't opened comepletely yet how many times do i have to tell you.

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But we were all in our base waiting for gates to completely open lol.

hmmmmmmmmm

Indian · Dec 05, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by blahblahblackysheepy

Although i wouldn't necessarily remove the idea of a hack being available. Before i bought the game i searched for them and found a website which allows you to download them ALTHOUGH you have to pay a monthly fee. Some of their forum thread topics contained phrases like HoH glitches revealed. The reason why these hacks aren't well circulated would be due to the fact of the monthly fee...and i doubt people who pay for these programs will put them on a P2P.

those "glitches" are nothin else that various builds posted on gwg or gwonline and some other guild sites.. those kinda sites are just to make some profit outta it.. nuthin else

Indian · Dec 05, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by Bubba Lips

I understand the fact that EoE could have destroyed our party had we had left our base and engaged them then i would assume it was a synched EoE sacrifice.

But we were all in our base waiting for gates to completely open lol.

bubba which map are u talkin about?

it takes about min 8-9 secs to bomb with help of "charge" on 1st 3 maps

Bubba Lips · Dec 05, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

hmmmmmmmmm

you get the idea, 1-2 seconds in.

Just like an elevator door, it opens, 1-2 seconds pass and u approach it.

No way we were in EoE range.

blahblahblackysheepy · Dec 05, 2005, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Although there are programs that can inject guild wars...i searched on google and i found the sites your talking about, $25 a year and stuff, although there ARE hacks for guild wars, (faster attack speed, no health deg, massive energy pool etc etc)

Bubba Lips · Dec 05, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Indian

bubba which map are u talkin about?

it takes about min 8-9 secs to bomb with help of "charge" on 1st 3 maps

The UW one, i know its small but not small enough to bomb from other base.

And even if it was somehow EoE wouldn't we all have died at different times somewhat accoriding to variations in health?

hmmm

Too Hot Fo You · Dec 05, 2005, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Buggs are always possible. I really think you guys are going to hard on Bubba Lips. I believe what he says, and I think there's a hack going around, just because that guys responded that it was a hack, they thought that people like you would think that they are making fun of you. But actually it can be a hack. With that sort of hack I mean the abuse of a lack of security in the ANet's data transmitting protocol. Perhaps there are some of the game's commands that are operating from the gameclient, and not from the server, what shouldn't be the case, but it can happen. If it is such a kind of abuse, ANet should change their quellcode to prevent such bugusing.

Anyways, Bubba Lips, you have all of my support, just don't listen to that idiots who are trying to make fun of you.