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May 11, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Everywhere and yet nowhere
Guild: none
Profession: R/Me
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Now that I look at it
I am sorry but you guys are asking a bit too much of A-net taking into account the situation they are in now. Taking into account how GW works and the fact there are no online fees The answer to my own question is probably incorrect but I am going to ask some of you in the GW community to answer this question. Why do you think that A-net have been so slow with dealing with the problems in the game? I myself believe it's simply down to money they just don't have the resources to look after GW1 to a good standard and create GW2 on time. I am not sure whether they can. This leads me onto my next question and I might make a thread about it, what with the news about GW2 and that too will be no online fees. Are we the players to expect similar things we are seeing here to inevitably happen in GW2? Where the only difference being is that we will be playing with better modeled and textured characters that have now learnt how to jump and swim. I ask people like yourself Ensign and others who make comments that A-nets inefficiency to look after their own game properly constitutes the main reason which is driving players away especially Pvper's. What do you think is the source of these problems within A-net that is hindering them from dealing with these established issues? Last edited by Gosu; May 11, 2007 at 07:35 PM // 19:35.. |
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May 11, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: May 2007
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May 11, 2007, 07:53 PM // 19:53
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2006
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why there is so much delay. |
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May 11, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Sep 2005
Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]
Profession: A/
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If you don't have the determination, maybe it isn't for you? Don't let some jerk put you off, especially in random arenas of all places, the shithole of the isles
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May 11, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Sep 2005
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May 11, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2005
Profession: N/Me
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May 11, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19
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Hall Hero
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: California Canada/BC
Guild: STG Administrator
Profession: Mo/
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To the OP I wouldn't say so and not all the big or good guilds have quit.It is how the guild leader and officers organizes who and what plays what.What you are seeing is as you said is all up to the leader or officers.I wouldn't say that PvP is dying or dead but PvE is on life support.
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May 12, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2006
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May 12, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Dec 2006
Profession: W/E
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If your new to pvp and you do something wrong in a team, expect the critisim. But from it build upon it so you dont make the same mistake over and over. This is where the learning curve takes place. Pvp isnt a childs game it takes work and dedication. You have to be willling to go through good times and bad times and to grow as a pvper. We've all been there. But try to understand why some pvpers are rather harsh on players who they find are not very skilled. Its because no one likes going into HA and getting their butt kicked epecially when they know it shouldnt happen. Yes we know this isnt the right attitude to adopt always but im just simply explaining it to you. Quote:
If anet where struggling for money i believe the gw server would not even be running right now. If you actually looked, although anet is no online fee company. Your forgetting thats why they release a new chapter every month. Thats how they make their money. If you even check youll find its only like 10 to 5 pounds less than wow and their monthly subscription overall or something. So claiming anets broke which is why their doing such a sucky job on HA is just a stupid reason. So that appears to be why they have made things like hard mode and roller bettle racing. The reason why anet have been so slow dealing with the problems in HA is because they think they have fixed it and made it better. Also they think player suggestion is poor and what they think should go. They have realised they ruind HA and as far as they are concered. fixing it would not be as benifical as doing something else because they have lost alot of players. |
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May 12, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Everywhere and yet nowhere
Guild: none
Profession: R/Me
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Maybe their staff is stretched with creating GW2, GW eye of the North and maintaining Guild Wars 1 to a good standard. Now I am going to serve up some insinuations with a side of speculation and maybe with a dash of conjecture. Looking from your quote you basically think A-net are arrogant idiots who don't know what they are doing. You make comments that Arena-net think they have fixed HA and that they have made it better. You also contradicted yourself in your last paragraph when you made comments stating that A-net believe they have fixed HA only to later state in the same paragraph that they believe they have ruined it. If you believe A-net thinks this is fixed then I would hate to see what you think they would consider not. Also you talk nonsense that they think player suggestion is poor that’s why they choose to ignore us. Your comments are contradicted by theses facts Wasn't it the player community that asked for a "Hard Mode" and wasn't it A-net that gave it to us. Wasn't it the player community that asked for titles and wasn't it A-net that gave it to us. Why would Gaile and Alex even bother to converse with us on how to "improve" the game. So to say A-net thinks that player suggestion is poor why would they even bother with us in the first place why they would encourage us to air our opinions on the forums so they can read it. This is what you are not getting A-net can't afford to end this game on a bad note, the most likely people to buy the sequel will probably be those that bought the initial games in the first place. If A-net are clever which I believe they are they will know ending GW with a bad taste in both our mouths as well as theirs won't be in their interest. As what will be the motivation for "said" players to buy the sequel knowing that they could expect more of the same in the next instalment. Instead of a rant which can be easily countered by someone like myself, I am asking people to really legitimately devise some genuine reasons as to why A-net are so slow on theses very established issues. Last edited by Gosu; May 12, 2007 at 03:49 PM // 15:49.. |
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May 12, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ
Guild: The Gear Trick [GEAR]
Profession: W/A
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May 12, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2007
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PvP died the day they introduced PvP rewards.
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May 12, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jul 2005
Profession: N/Me
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I'm playing more WOW than GW right now. At least that's a game that doesn't pretend it's PVP doesn't suck. |
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May 12, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Dec 2006
Profession: W/E
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Secondly, yes anet have given us some things but your missing the main point. What about removal of kill count, i checked the poll on the HA section and 75 percent want it gone. Its been here now for about 7 months so what about that. What about 8v8 and 6v6, 9 months untill we got it. I dont call this really giving people what they want do you? What the HA community have been asking for it not hard mode nor the other stuff but for these things and we havent got it. Your talking about a whole range of pvp but im specifically talking about HA. You cannot put the whole pvp group within 1 catagory of what they want and what they dont because different levels of pvp have been effected by different things. Anet may read this section of the forums but as im aware they do not read the HA section and if they do its basically bin bin bin. Why do you think so many HAers have said someones not doing their job and should be scaked. The HA community after almost 12 months have still not got what they wanted. Look at HA at the mo. They get you to air your oppinion on the forums because they listern to it for pvers ect. For pvpers they dont, and you say why encourage us to use the forums to air our oppinions regarding HA. Well why not, anet dont gain nor not gain in not doing so. I would like to know how you could arguee against what izzy said then about anet not getting any good feedback to work with from the HA communty? Also if anet read the forums on HA properly, then why is it galie grey still thinks kill counts a success and good. She said this her self, 110 percent of the HA players think it sucks. So explaiiiin plz. And as for your cheep comment at the start about me talking nonsence. How do you know what i say about HA on the HA section of the forums. Do you go there, obviously not so i suggest you resist from making such pathetic comments. If my player suggestion is poor, then what about the other how many HA players who replie on the HA forum. I think you missed that point einstein. Lastly you never countered my argument, you meerly just exploited minor flaws in it. Yes i may contradict myself at times but it doesnt change my argument. I was hungry when i wrote it so sue me please. If we had to make everything perfect every time we wrote on the forums i believe the world would be a very angry place because people would get no sleep, as they would be on their comps fixing every mistake. And in terms of anet and HA. Yes they are very as you have put it, (not wise in terms of HA). If they where 8V8 would have been here 9 months ago before many players quit. Kill count would be gone by now, and Galie grey would not say they have put HA further down their to do list because they have done so much work on it already *errrrrrrrm hello what work, its still a mess.* They make it sound like they have improved it, when in fact its still even worse than it originaly was. |
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May 12, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23
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Academy Page
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Everywhere and yet nowhere
Guild: none
Profession: R/Me
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*sigh*. I can see you are angry probably more with A-net than you are with myself
but you need to stop ranting about HA because I have asked a very valid question that I want answered alot of players whinge and now don't you think it would be nice if we could start presenting something constructive? Ok let’s deal with this now because I think we are working on two different wave lengths, I am talking about the game overall whereas you are specifically talking about HA. As you said yourself I am broaching the posts from a perspective that you are looking at the overall situation whereas you are looking at my posts from a perspective that I am specifically aiming my views at HA. Now lets be honest HA was never on my agenda in the two posts I have put up, you have been seriously taking everything out of context. Not only that I really resent the fact that you have hi-jacked my question while this thread is being side lined with this futile rant about HA As you said yourself I am talking about the game overall whereas you are specifically ranting about one aspect of the game. If I remember correctly this thread was about why PVP is dead not why HA sucks ass. You’re taking things out of my comments that are geared towards different aspects of the game and trying to apply them to HA, in fact all you can seem to talk about is HA whereas most of my comments aren't geared towards HA at all. You mention this Quote:
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It seemed from my perspective as if you were making a generalized comment about A-net and I thought it was incorrect so I presented two instances of when they do listen to the community. Look Death you and I both know were being very pedantic here and it isn’t getting us nowhere. As we know all it will do is get this thread locked, I don’t want to fight you as you and I both know it would be a waste of our energy. I would come out the eventual victor anyway but that’s not the point, I don’t mean to sound condescending but I am trying to look at the bigger picture whereas you are trying to look at the same picture through a toilet roll tube. You are only seeing a fraction of the problem so instead of incessantly going on about HA. Let me say this TA is neglected and lacks serious competition, AB and HVH is a joke, Ra is the armpit of the game, Ha is a dump and has been since Prophecies in my opinion and GvG is being molested by some seriously bad decisions. Would you agree? and wouldn't you want to know why this is? As this is the situation I am trying to take on. Look Death I am beginning to respect you, you fight your corner and fight it well and you make some really good points but if you are an example of how the HA players are reacting then I would do the same as Izzy and stop listening to you guys as well. The HA players would probably overwhelm them with flames and trolls than actual serious suggestions. You are right they should remove kill count and the like but lets step back a few months before that. Before all these things were implemented HA players were actually coming out with stupid ideas such as let’s roll the game back to the old prophecy days for HA. Totally disregarding the fact that the game had moved on considerably by then with new campaigns, new classes and new skills. The rant you have presented is a bit overwhelming and all you do is complain, you have got to agree that doesn’t add much to a debate now does it. But I will be honest with you in my opinion HA has always been a dump even in the early days of this game the only difference now is that it’s even worse. Heck even the PVE players from day one have complained about the state of HA and that fact it controls areas in PvE. Come to think of it I even recall "notable" players who have appeared in this very thread referring to HA as a “junkyard” full of trash. On a side note Death I am fully aware of the fact that you are being sarcastic but I want to make this quip anyway. I am not someone of an Einstein level of intelligence far from it in fact but I like the fact that you have referred to me in that manner. So please let’s stop fighting each other and let’s get back on topic please. So back to my original question What do you think is the source of these problems within A-net that is hindering them from dealing with these established issues? |
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May 12, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Wasting away again in Margaritaville
Guild: [HOTR]
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What killed GvG and HA for me was the obscene waiting times to form a group and finally start playing. For both, the bare minimum to get a game going is around 1 hour prep time, with 2 hours or more not being altogether uncommon. With that, you'd think RA, AB, HvH, and FA would be great alternatives that would receive tons of support, with new maps and new game mechanics. RA is actually pretty good for casual PvP. You get diverse builds, even if they suck, as people are more willing to try new things. You can pick it up and start playing in a matter of minutes. However, it can only contain you for so long, as teamwork is completely ignored in RA, and you're heavily dependent on the monk lottery favoring you with a nicely balanced team. AB is even more cookie cutterish than high end PvP, the same stoneflesh tanks, minions masters, and touch rangers pretty much dominate the metagame. Anyway, running around in circles shrine capping is an obscenely boring game. FA was awesome. It's a really cool idea for a map, with really fun mechanics - bashing away at gates as the luxons, trying to drive the insatiable invaders away as the Kurzicks- it's good stuff. Unfortunately, unabated leeching, poor rewards, and lack of a single balance update killed it off. What's worse, the entire competetive mission format was completely abandoned in nightfall, leaving the only casual PvP as RA. HvH bores the living crap out of me. The game focuses on running in a circle and trying to teach ham-handed AI how to not suck. It's more frustrating than fun. |
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May 12, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02
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Banned
Join Date: Aug 2006
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GvG is definitely the most fun PvP in Guild Wars, but with one big problem- if your guild isn't very into it, then you aren't gonna do good. Or get a group. RA, as you say, is fun for just getting into the action, but the monk lottery as you put it definitely makes it frustrating at times. For AB, I personally haven't seen any widespread cookie cutter builds except the MM and touch ranger. I think AB is very fun, but unbalanced maps are never fun and 4 of the 5 are unbalanced on purpose. Something cool would be if AB was played in campaigns... your group starts at the neutral map, if you win, you advance to the map with the enemy advantage, then if you win that, you advance to the map with the major advantage, and if you win that, you get some sort of awesome prize for successfully fighting a campaign against the enemy. Of course, if you lose, you have to go back a map. That would be pretty interesting IMO, and give a purpose to unbalanced maps. FA needs to solve the leecher problem. And competitive missions were very fun, it is unfortunate they were discontinued. HvH I like. I just hate how unbalanced it is and how it doesn't require too much tactics. |
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May 12, 2007, 11:11 PM // 23:11
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Guild: Mostly Harmless
Profession: W/
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You WERE aware that you used the skill wrong, AND STILL DEFENDED YOURSELF? And.. wait, you're in disillusion as to why other people would treat you like this? |
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May 12, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33
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The Hotshot
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Honolulu
Guild: International District [id多]
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Also note that most of the stereotypical invective-hurling, incoherent elitist idiots that PvEers constantly use as examples of why PvP is bad tend to be found in RA.
Why? Because most of them are bad and can't make it in any higher level of PvP. Ignore the bottom-feeders and you'd find that they're not representative of PvPers. |
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May 12, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jul 2005
Profession: N/Me
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