Curse

RhanoctJocosa · Jul 12, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Both sides mob...both sides complain about it. EQUALLY.

In terms of skill level, it's a mixed bag.

I can tell you that when our alliance sends in teams to sync in to ab, so that all three groups get it...it's essentially an almost guaranteed win [these groups are normally champions, wardens, and saviors] and it's all good.

On average though....being a kurzick and a member of sins, I can tell you that 12v12 the luxons are better. Not superlatively so...but...the luxons are creative...they use trappers...crip slashers...good monks...GOOD SP sins, all sorts of things.

We kurzicks in AB for the most part leave something to be desired.
But when we pull out the Saviors and Champions, well....

why does everyone from the [sins] alliance think they are uber shit? someone being a champion of the X could just mean they do those pve runs for hours on end...... 0 skill there.

ot: usually when one side is mobbing you can split up (providing your teams are built well) and cap individual shrines faster than they cap theirs.

Patrick Smit · Jul 12, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by naginatools

This can happens when luxons mob, sorry for you who was at luxon team!
http://suprfile.com/get.php?id=5kykadm

Nonsense to my opinion, if they got 0 points they had loads of leechers and were not able to score a single kill and cap. If they would have mobbed they for sure would have had points.

I agree to the what the OP is stating, mobbing is ahrdly ever effective, only if suckers start engaging them thereby feeding points due their deaths

Snow Bunny · Jul 12, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

[QUOTE=RhanoctJocosa]why does everyone from the [sins] alliance think they are uber shit? someone being a champion of the X could just mean they do those pve runs for hours on end...... 0 skill there.

The saviors and champions are the more seasoned players and do a lot of HA. You wouldn't know...but many saviors and champions do a lot of HA in their spare time if they're not fffing. :P In the guild I was in.....out of 8 champions, 7 were rank 8 and higher :P. I assume that there is the slightest some skill there.....

But aside from those 7....we're terrible at PVP.

Moloch Vein · Jul 13, 2007, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by urania

I bet they can play MM's decetly, at least! Best choice of a proff for AB anyway =p

Yes, MM is quite certainly one of the most powerful individual profession in AB. However, I have seen loads of MM so weak in AB it's not even funny.

Quite frankly anyone who plays MM in AB with _anything_ other than N/D, suck 90% of the time.

Plissken · Jul 13, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Yes, MM is quite certainly one of the most powerful individual profession in AB. However, I have seen loads of MM so weak in AB it's not even funny.

Quite frankly anyone who plays MM in AB with _anything_ other than N/D, suck 90% of the time.

I agree with the first part of the above post, but I think it could easily be applied to every profession, actually.But, about the second part, I've seen a lot of good N/Mo MM.Basically, to be a good MM in AB you just need to tune the MM build for the PvP environment and play it accordingly (Be it N/D, so popular nowadays, or a good ol' N/Mo build).Sadly that is something so many necros fail to understand...

fenix · Jul 13, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Two things:

1) If I see someone with a high rank of Kurzick/Luxon (I'm Kurzick so usually the first one), I don't care WHO you are, but you are bad. Sins are even worse, since all they do is FFF.

2) Mobbing will ALWAYS lose out to smart capping. So go ahead and mob all you want, it's more faction to me.

Amadei · Jul 13, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

On average though....being a kurzick and a member of sins, I can tell you that 12v12 the luxons are better. Not superlatively so...but...the luxons are creative...they use trappers...crip slashers...good monks...GOOD SP sins, all sorts of things.

Luxons aren't better or worse than Kurzicks, ime. I monk a lot and 95% of the time, unless I stand DIRECTLY in front of a Luxon and go /dance, they won't even bother attacking me. I've lured c-space-go morons into the ele shrine and in one memorable match, I got three Luxons demolished by Base Defense because they weren't paying any attention to where I was running. I've had sins/wars/rangers/dervs mindlessly attacking my Blinding Surge ele when they really should have selected a different target and I've watched lone Luxons wander into a group of five Kurzicks, one of them being an MM, get demolished, and then complain in local "it was 5v1, not fair!"

That's not to say I haven't seen pure, raw stupidity on the Kurzick side, though :P

Both sides are equally good. Or equally bad. Take your pick.

Patrick Smit · Jul 13, 2007, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by fenix

Two things:

1) If I see someone with a high rank of Kurzick/Luxon (I'm Kurzick so usually the first one), I don't care WHO you are, but you are bad. Sins are even worse, since all they do is FFF.

2) Mobbing will ALWAYS lose out to smart capping. So go ahead and mob all you want, it's more faction to me.

Sorry, so high rank correlates 100% with bad players?

I think you need to rethink your theory. Yes there are FFFers on the Kurzick side that will be bad at playing, but there will be also good players among them. Furthermore, on the luxon side we don't have an (efficient) equivalent of the duel for example. FFF is not very FFF on the luxon side.

Mobbing wins if u keep the people in the base and have possession of most shrines, a few people hunting the stragglers outside will be enough, in that way they cant cap effectively. You should know when to mob or not, it is that simple.

therealjz1028 · Jul 14, 2007, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Capping is better than mobbing in most situations, unless you already have a large point advantage and are able to hold the other team in their base.

Depending on your team, it can be advantageous to take on the other teams mob (you may argue, but I've beaten several Kurzick mobs 4v8 or more).

If you have a good monk and a decent lead you should never fret facing another team, otherwise you would probably be better off capping a shrine instead of trying to kill an opposing team.

P.S. I know several high luxon title players that are very good (myself included). Before I decided to quit doing GvG I was part of the core team for a Rank 300 guild etc etc... Most of the people I AB with (who are high rank Luxons) have similar backgrounds. Kurzick side does have a lot of newbier players with high titles because of their FFF, but they also have their fair share of good players as well.

Perfected Shadow · Jul 15, 2007, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by fenix

1) If I see someone with a high rank of Kurzick/Luxon (I'm Kurzick so usually the first one), I don't care WHO you are, but you are bad. Sins are even worse, since all they do is FFF.

Very bad assumption...

iridescentfyre · Aug 04, 2007, 02:27 AM // 02:27

To say that one side or the other does something more frequently is kind of a strange assertion to make... both the Kurzicks and Luxons draw their players from the same group, and any one player can switch sides essentially at any time. Until I see some retarded sociological study to see which side "mobbers" are more likely drawn too, I'm going to continue believing this simple truth: Neither side has any unique characteristics at all, end of story.

As for mobbing vs. capping, its a matter of numbers. Which is better: 12 players capping one point at a time, or 3 groups capping three points at a time? The only time mobbing wins is when the other side is pathetic enough to let you.

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Originally Posted by fenix

1) If I see someone with a high rank of Kurzick/Luxon (I'm Kurzick so usually the first one), I don't care WHO you are, but you are bad. Sins are even worse, since all they do is FFF.

That's kind of...weird...but okay.

moriz · Aug 04, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

both sides are equally bad, are equally likely to mob, and are equally likely to be utterly stupid. i once had an entire district spamming insults at me because i told one guy to use an elite.

the skill level on both sides are equally bad. stop trying to make your side look better.

longhornrob · Aug 21, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11

It just hurts so much to watch my teammates merrily march right into the mob that has formed in front of our base at Grenz and die, one by one by one. I guess they all think "OMG they're at our base! Defend it!" I actually had someone yelling at me after imploring our side to start capping, "We need to get them off the ranger shrine first you noob." I'm sure he said that as the camera was hovering over his dead, trampled corpse.

Tantra3 · Sep 06, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by Sun Fired Blank

- Kurzick players are better on average than Luxons

And that's not biased at all.

Mobbing works if the other team sucks(like they charge into the mob and go on a suicide mission.)

Mobbing is risky, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm not a fan of mobs, if a team mate suggests it, I quickly turn the offer down lol

b-M-d · Sep 06, 2007, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

And why do I feel like I'm repeating myself and this thread was resurrected by someone.

~ Sorry, I had a bad day of seeing other luxons charge the mob and turn the lead we had into [email protected] when I started this thread.

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Originally Posted by fenix

Two things:

1) If I see someone with a high rank of Kurzick/Luxon (I'm Kurzick so usually the first one), I don't care WHO you are, but you are bad. Sins are even worse, since all they do is FFF.

2) Mobbing will ALWAYS lose out to smart capping. So go ahead and mob all you want, it's more faction to me.

~ Right on about #2, but #1 is such a rash assumption. I for one am Warden of the Luxons, and I have a sizeable bunch of AB buddies (many of them warden or higher) and NONE of them farm faction at all.

I Kurzick that doesn't mob? interesting. BTW, I've been in more than 500 battles.
Based on experience, I just have to say, (unless my eyes deceive me, which I'm sure they do not as I've never taken any hallucinogens in my entire life) Kurzicks do tend to mob more often than the Luxons.

Luxon "mobs" are usually people who:
1) try to defend rez joined by other respawning lux who have no way to escape and therefore fight it out.
or 2) those of us tactically challenged and charge the mob in a way that'd make a kamikaze pilot cringe.

I use a rather kamikaze build myself, but I often come out on top and have even walked away from 8v1 on more than 1 occasion.

Amadei · Sep 08, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by b-M-d

I for one am Warden of the Luxons, and I have a sizeable bunch of AB buddies (many of them warden or higher) and NONE of them farm faction at all.

I Kurzick that doesn't mob? interesting. BTW, I've been in more than 500 battles.
Based on experience, I just have to say, (unless my eyes deceive me, which I'm sure they do not as I've never taken any hallucinogens in my entire life) Kurzicks do tend to mob more often than the Luxons.

Well, I have accumulated more than 2 million Kurzick faction myself (though I don't show a title, because titles are a stupid pointless waste of time, and I don't care for them) and I'm telling you the Luxons mob waaayyyy more often in my experience, so there.

See how that works?

wuzzman · Sep 08, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

LOL. Example A. Why Ab is a noob arena.

Both Luxon and Kurz mob, I've played both sides, they both noob, they both don't know how to play the game, they both have tank warriors, tank earth eles, assassins with 7 attack skills, and various other builds of extreme noobness, I've seen the same sh*****ty builds run on both sides identically.

Amadei · Sep 10, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

they both have tank warriors,

I take great pleasure in slooooowly walking away from warriors who run up to me and activate Dolyak Signet. If I'm feeling snarky, I comment about it in local too.

b-M-d · Sep 11, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

LOL. Example A. Why Ab is a noob arena.

Both Luxon and Kurz mob, I've played both sides, they both noob, they both don't know how to play the game, they both have tank warriors, tank earth eles, assassins with 7 attack skills, and various other builds of extreme noobness, I've seen the same sh*****ty builds run on both sides identically.

Hmmm thats funny, if AB is a "noob" arena then why do I often see high ranked HA/TA players get their @$$es whupped in AB?

I'm sorry, you don't really seem too credible Mr. "they both noob"

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Originally Posted by Amadei

Well, I have accumulated more than 2 million Kurzick faction myself ... and I'm telling you the Luxons mob waaayyyy more often in my experience, so there.

Yes I see how that works, titles would be a waste of time on the kurzick side, because mobbing is your primary tactic. On the Luxon side people (with titles) tend to band together because the higher tier titles are insurance that the person knows his/her stuff. You can't leech your way to Steward or higher, if anyone has leeched to steward, they must have started doing so the day Factions was released.

As for my luxon title, I bear it with pride because its the product of hundreds of wins, none of which were by mobbing.

See how that works?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Luxons don't mob, some of the more tactically challenged Luxons do mob. But its usually because they think they'll accomplish something by attacking the Kurzick mob. I'm usually one of the first people to say "spread out, don't mob and keep capping and moving"...

Sometimes when us Luxons have all the shrines, we press the advantage by trying to lock the opponents in their base by covering the 2 teleporters and the main gate. Almost every time we do this the kurzicks whine and spam local out of desperation "You luxon mobbing noobs!!!". At that point, its not really mobbing, its the proverbial "last nail on the coffin".

The reason why AB is "the noob arena" is because some people obviously use it as a place to test builds, when in fact, AB is potentially more of a challenge because:

a) you need decent communication between 3 groups (as opposed to 1 group in TA, HA, GvG)
b) you have to consider the shrines as well as the 12 opponents, and NPC's

Death By Ketchup · Sep 11, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

The thing that always happens to me(kurz guild) is that we always start off strong have 1 or 2 more shrines caped than the luxons, thenhalf way through the other kurz players just seem to get lazy and stop capping shrines, and we end up losing, not fun. I usally always go into abs with 1 or 2 other guildies and it seems were the only group capping, gets frusterating at times lol.