Curse

Kashrlyyk · Jun 09, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by jrk247

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[skill]Mist Form[/skill] So you just stand there?

Enchantment remover > MF

You can still deal damage with spells.

Mjhammerman · Jun 09, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Master of Magic, its junk, big dirty piece of junk.

GloryFox · Jun 12, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

The Power is Yours!

Honestly there are better non elites that give better energy to the entire party such as "Aria of Zeal" or "Never give Up" that does not have an energy degeneration.

chowmein69 · Jun 20, 2007, 04:04 AM // 04:04

-Amity- ehh i need 12 character

Dinkytowner · Jun 23, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Soul of the Scythe

Any creature that has more health than you. Shiro especially. Mine at 18 Blood Magic did 920 damage to him each time he attacked with impossible odds and battle scars on. I also recieved this as healing. He went from about 30% health to dead in 2 attacks. It works on pretty much any boss and the less health you have, the better. Damn good for farming bosses.

Good christ people, I posted this before the SV buff. That skill used to have crappy damage and they jacked it WAY up a while back. Leave me alone.

Balth's pendulum is going to have to get my vote now.

B E A S T · Jun 23, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

Decapitate is pretty bad.

Who wants to lose all adrenaline and energy for a buffed Eviscerate?

Marverick · Jun 24, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Mesmer: Just way too many to name lol... worst would have to be [skill]Extend Conditions[/skill] This is just a joke... conditions will get removed even before their natural duration is reached, or the monster will die... [skill]Tease[/skill][skill]Air of Disenchantment[/skill][skill]Enchanter's Conundrum[/skill]
Elementalist: [skill]Second Wind[/skill] You need exhaustion to gain energy?? LMAO... [skill]Energy Boon[/skill] same idea
Monk: [skill]Amity[/skill] WTF is this....????
Necromancer: [skill]Life Transfer[/skill] An elite degen skill that lasts 12 seconds with a recharge of 30 seconds.... lol
Warrior: Too many to name as well..... [skill]Primal Rage[/skill][skill]Warrior's Endurance[/skill][skill]Battle Rage[/skill][skill]Coward![/skill][skill]Auspicious Parry[/skill]...

Mr_Cynical · Jun 25, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by lilnate22

wow....
ok go find a use for quivering blade... wich is the same as glarath or silverwing xceot if u miss it is disabled and u are dazed....

go ahead find a use for that skill

Er... Plague Touch. Turns the Dazed condition from a hindrance, into an offensive weapon. Makes Quivering Blade great against casters. If it hits, you have thesame damage as the skills you mention, for less adrenaline. If it misses, you can Plague Touch the Dazed onto your target, and interrupt them! Quivering Blade is one of the BEST Warrior elites, not one of the worst.

As for worst skill overall, it has to be Archer's Signet. It only gives good energy reduction at high Expertise. Which is precisely when you don't need energy reduction on bow attacks! If they'd linked it to Marksmanship (which the name would suggest) then it would have been godly, but they didn't so it isn't.

Master Ketsu · Jun 26, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Wastrels is still worst imo, A knockdown after every diversion and blackout, AT BEST. Woot for the uselessness.

Sophitia Leafblade · Jun 26, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by jrk247

[skill]Ravenous Gaze[/skill] Just an all around bad elite. If you don't get the bonus it's just like a weak Vamp Gaze.

Ravenous Gaze works amazingly well in builds were u sacrafice life, even more so when u have awaken the blood that boosts ur attributes and increases the amount sacraficed. eg. Order of Pain, 17.5% becomes 35%, cast twice and ur below 50%, cast ravious and uve just done alot of damage and healed up at the same time

then repeat and rinse

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Warrior: Too many to name as well..... [skill]Warrior's Endurance[/skill][skill]Battle Rage[/skill]

Battle Rage is a good elite, use it to power up Final thrust superfast, since final thrust loses adrenaline anyways u dont lose much when Battle rage ends. After uve used final thrust charge up Battle rage again and use it. Lose little adrenaline and charge up final thrust double fast again.

Warriors Endurance is another great elite, it allows to u pump out energy skills which is very handy especially when ur secondary Ele, although most builds prefer adrenaline over energy when u have this skill u have all the energy u could ever need. Works well for skills like Vampiric Touch on a Warrior which with otherwise cause too high energy lose to be used anything other than seldomly.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Cynical

As for worst skill overall, it has to be Archer's Signet. It only gives good energy reduction at high Expertise. Which is precisely when you don't need energy reduction on bow attacks! If they'd linked it to Marksmanship (which the name would suggest) then it would have been godly, but they didn't so it isn't.

Ever tried to firing off alot of Concussion shots or tried to use attacks while in a Energy draining area? (like RoT areas with Quickening Zephyr or Undead with Quicksand or the Wards from the Ether Seals etc. etc.) grants u Free attacks with no cost at all. Archers signet is the Mastery of countering energy denial.

Stormlord Alex · Jun 26, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

No, Sophita... Battle Rage is a bad skill - it kills any potential use of Flail or Frenzy. And IAS = FTW. If you're only looking to charge up Final Thrust, Rage of the Ntouka owns it, hands down. It works quite well with Burst of Aggression to make a frontloaded-spike style warrior, like a 'sin except not lame.

And Warrior's Endurance should never be used to pump out ele skills. Warriors should stick to Conjure. Endurance has its uses... as long as its uses are Protector's Strike, Eremite's Attack and Mystic Sweep with a hammer/scythe.

On-topic... Oh my, so many bad skills

[skill]Gust[/skill] is bad... Because Gale is better. The only thing a gust-based bar can do is a 35 second Blurred Vision.

[skill]hundred blades[/skill] is pretty terrible - Dragon Slash and Sun and Moon Slash say so.

Similarly, [skill]archer's signet[/skill] is poor showing, because...
a) It's tied to Expertise
b)[skill]prepared shot[/skill]

Amity sucks, Peace and Harmony sucks, a whole shedload of mesmer elites fail hard (Keystone Signet... srssly?!?), then there's Double Dragon, Locust's Fury, 'The Power Is Yours!'. And both of Xinrae's spells are far too niche.

It seems only the dervish was spared.... All of it's elites are useable, to some degree.

I simply couldn't pick out a worst skill...

Sophitia Leafblade · Jun 26, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

No, Sophita... Battle Rage is a bad skill - it kills any potential use of Flail or Frenzy. And IAS = FTW. If you're only looking to charge up Final Thrust, Rage of the Ntouka owns it, hands down. It works quite well with Burst of Aggression to make a frontloaded-spike style warrior, like a 'sin except not lame.

Similarly, [skill]archer's signet[/skill] is poor showing, because...
a) It's tied to Expertise
b)[skill]prepared shot[/skill]

Battle Rage isnt just for final thrust u can use lots of other adrenaline attacks leading up to final thrust

, The speed boost helps nicly against kiting foes and if u have Bulls strike they struggle even more to get away

As for Archers Signet u really dont get it do u, a)Prepared shot is Conditonal, Archer signet isnt, b)Prepared shot requires energy to use, Archers signet doesnt, 1 use of prepared shot will net gain u just 7 energy even at 16 Marksmanship and 12 Expertise, 7 energy is hardly gonna give u the energy to use Concussion shot, And IF you have no energy u cant use prepared shot unless u avoid the condition of any nearby energy denial. If your still not convinced Try it, no not just a quick put on skill bar, "this sucks" and take it off again, actually test it out, sample a few builds using it and take it to a few areas and u might just begin to work out that it does have a use and its Far from the worst Elite

Stormlord Alex · Jun 26, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

I have tried it out.
It's still worse than Prepared Shot.
It's ONLY use is spamming Concussion Shot, which is - frankly - a poor use of build/elite/character space.
And while Prepared is conditional... what lame rangers (aside from Barrage rangers EDIT: and Thumpers....I'll rephrase that: What lame *archers*...) DON'T use preps?

And as for battle rage speed buff... Rush does the same thing. And it isn't elite. Battle Rage fails hard. Because Frenzy/Flail rock.

jrk247 · Jun 26, 2007, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Ravenous Gaze works amazingly well in builds were u sacrafice life, even more so when u have awaken the blood that boosts ur attributes and increases the amount sacraficed. eg. Order of Pain, 17.5% becomes 35%, cast twice and ur below 50%, cast ravious and uve just done alot of damage and healed up at the same time

then repeat and rinse.

Yeah it's pretty good if you have your bar full of sac'n skills and are almost dead. BUT there are too many other builds out there that use less conditional elites and are more flexible. And just maybe if it were a normal skill it'd be good but even then I wouldn't have it on my bar tbh. It fails as an elite, you'd be better off just taking Grenth's Balance imo.

SirNoob · Jun 26, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11

Expert's Dexterity.. can someone state a build where this can be used?
So far only use i know for this is +1 to your skill hunter title

Queen-Of-Disco · Jun 26, 2007, 03:47 PM // 15:47

life transfer has to be the worst elite in my opinion, degen is supposed to be spreadable not have a duration less then its recharge

Snow Bunny · Jul 16, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Well...unless you're an idiot, and you're a ranger using meteor shower/rodgort's invocation, can you tell me the last time you really needed to manage your energy while using a ranger?

I can't remember even with Apply Poison and Burning Arrow.

With this in mind, folks, consider the amazing Marksman's Wager.

Your shots hit, you gain a lot of energy you honestly don't need.
Your shots miss, you lose a lot of energy that you probably could've used.
In the process, you wasted an elite slot.
GG

Worst elite ever,

Monk Gsb · Jul 17, 2007, 05:07 AM // 05:07

second wind wins this contest hands down.
" for each point of exasution u gain one energy. this spell causes exaustion"

GG close thread

moko · Jul 17, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Warrior's endurance is not bad.

Battle Rage can make your war into an incredible adrenaline spammer, it's fairly good with dismember/exe/whatever.

Tab · Jul 17, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

[skill]Amity[/skill] tbh.........