Curse

Nate · Aug 29, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

o god unyielding aura...honestly i don't see much of a point

moenbase · Aug 29, 2006, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

Archer's Signet is the worst elite skill, because it is bad from concept up. It is more effecitve with Higher expertise....and yet with more expertise you need it less. Ridiculous.

Well, it allows you to spam Concussion shot and such skills quite often, and for free.
But yea, if you have high Expertise it's mostly better to use something else...

I find the elite spirit skills for the Ranger pretty useless. It effects the team as well. And usually in a bad way.

NinjaKai · Aug 29, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by Nate

o god unyielding aura...honestly i don't see much of a point

Torturing wammos.

dgb · Aug 29, 2006, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by Nate

o god unyielding aura...honestly i don't see much of a point

I allways bring it if I'm forced to PUG monk in PVE for something. It's the best idiot control in the game.

Whammo runs off to aggro far too much.

Whammo dies.

Let someone else pull and res whammo once he can safely kill what's there, then turn it off again.

glountz · Aug 29, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by Mithie

No. Life Sheath doesn't work like RoF. RoF's damage reduction only works for the NEXT HIT, whereas life sheath will "stick" until ALL 126 damage is negated.

For example, I slap RoF on someone, and they get wanded by an ele for 2 damage. BAM, they take 0 damage and the RoF is gone. A warrior goes up to my target and unloads an adren spike on him. He dies.

Same example, but with life sheath: I slap life sheath on the same target, he gets wanded by an ele. BAM! He takes zero damage but life sheath is STILL ON, just that it can only absorb 124 damage now instead of 126. Then, the same warrior goes up to my target and eviscerates him. BAM! My target STILL takes 0 damage, and life sheath is STILL on, just that now, it can only absorb 124-65 = 59 damage now. The war follows up with Exec strike, BAM! My target takes 0 damage AND LIFE SHEATH IS STILL ON! except now, it can only absorb 59-10 = 9 damage. The warrior finishes his spike with pen blow. BAM! Life sheath goes away because it absorbed all the damage it could, and now my target takes 60-9 = 51 damage.

See how useful life sheath is compared to RoF? It's like giving your target an additional 126 hp for 5 energy, and it's quasi spammable with a 7 sec recharge!

Yeah, and what is the odds you get wanded on RoF? Seriously.
Life sheath doesn't deserve its elite status. I might tweak my post to RoF "potentially" absorb the same amount of damage.
All your counter argument lays on wanding. In PvP, I didn't know that monks were wanded to death. I took RoF only because it's the nearest skill you can find.
I hope you will win high end PvP with Life Sheath. Please give me an example of a build incorporating it.

Ehrenia · Aug 29, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Well, where do i start....

Eles:
Gust is a waste of an elite, 2 seconds cast is too long and its just better to take any other kd which is less conditional :S
Shatterstone again, why would you fill your elite slot with this is beyond me.

Mesmers:
All mesmer elites are useful, but I suppose the least useful is Shatter Storm.

Monk:
Aura of Faith, alright its not useless as a skill, but its a waste as an elite.
Ray of Judgement... just awful that its disabling you for 10 seconds, its bad damage and thank god its particularly good against animated undead! horrible recharge too....
Withdraw Hexes has a devastating casting time, with a bad drawback of an insanely long recharge IF you've done what the spell is meant for :S

Necro:
Wither is too easily removed.
Plague Signet isnt work using unless you plan on having 6 or more conditions every 10 seconds.

Ranger:
Archer's Signet of course for reasons already stated all over this thread.
Broadhead Arrow. Unconditional daze, so what, its utter ****. If you are dazing, then you are on someone who will cast, therefore Concussion shot is much better, not checking now but it may even daze for longer if I recall correctly.
Glass Arrows - Melandru's Arrows just owns this.
(To those who think ranger elite spirits are useless; they are not useless and have many viable applications.)

Warrior:
Dwarven Battle Stance is horrible for interupting. Great every hit interupts and you are using the slowest weapon in the game, and you can't use a fast attack stance because then you won't interrupt.
Primal Rage shouldn't disable skills.... waste of an elite.... again.
Whirling Axe would be better as non-elite needing about 4 adrenaline.

Ritualist:
Grasping was Kuurong: 15 energy, long cast and long recharge of 30 seconds to knock down within a small radius and do near-on no damage. Simply never worth it.
Spirit Light Weapon - slightly unsure here, if when it says, not near a spirit, it means not nearby; then it is useless and will almost never last its duration. But if in fact it means when not under the effect of a spirit, then it is an effective heal.

Assassin:
Seaping Wound can be useful, it is not a bad skill, but as an elite? Never.

I think thats it. Worst worst worst elite I guess, out of the ones I put here would be....hm... its a tough call between Ray of Judgement and Primal Rage, I'll go for Ray of Judgement. As an elite, it is absolutely 100% crap.

gasmaskman · Aug 29, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by glountz

I hope you will win high end PvP with Life Sheath. Please give me an example of a build incorporating it.

Like someone said before, just because it isn't in a cookie-cutter build doesn't mean it's useless.

Hell, I love life sheath. Just because most monks don't run it doesn't make it less useful.

Anyways, ROF almost rarely heals its full amount. "the next time target ally would take damage, that ally gains that amount of Health instead" So, that ally takes a few damage (10 or so). You'd have to recast RoF (@ 5 energy) to prevent the next damage. Life Sheath is still there after that 10 damage. How is that useless? You have to spam RoF (at 5 energy each time) to negate damage, but Life Sheath negates it for a full 20 seconds (unless of course the full damage has been done, then you could probably recast it).

trecca · Aug 29, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Dwarven Battle Stance
attack 10% faster and interrupt... for 7 second (an hammer war normally use 9 in strength) > lol

It's a trash skill

Dragonious · Aug 31, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

Whirling Axe. 15 seconds is all you need to know....

Addone_Abaddon · Aug 31, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

for me to answer this, we'd have to give a definition of what an elite SHOULD be.

Terra Xin · Aug 31, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

Someone mentioned shatter storm?? How can you not like shatterstorm? It completely screws a Boon Prot over...

Arkantos · Aug 31, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Someone mentioned shatter storm?? How can you not like shatterstorm? It completely screws a Boon Prot over...

How does it screw a boonprot?

Avarre · Aug 31, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

They have to recast boon! FIVE energy lost!

Arkantos · Aug 31, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Oops, I was thinking of another skill

Shatterstone, Shatter Storm, almost the same!

EPO Bot · Sep 09, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

I think shared burden should give you some energy when it ends.The way it works now i rather take the two normal burdens since they are great to both slow warriors and regenerate energy.

Also i hate second wind.Not because it's bad, but because of the "side effects"

maraxusofk · Sep 09, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

By far keystone signet. great, u lose all ur skills except ur signet, which ranges from heal sig (2 second recharge), to sig of rejuv (5 sec). THKS Keystone! i lose my adredline, most of my skills for x seconds, and my elite spot to use some lame signest mroe than once(it doesnt even recharge rez sig)!

Helll is for Heroes · Sep 09, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by glountz

I hope you will win high end PvP with Life Sheath. Please give me an example of a build incorporating it.

Blood spike.

gg.

Dreikki · Sep 09, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Dragonious

Whirling Axe. 15 seconds is all you need to know....

You don't get blocked alot.

Still it gives you a moderate source of damage when it costs only 2 adrenaline.

The Real Roy Keane · Sep 10, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Dreikki

You don't get blocked alot.

Maybe if you're playing as a Monk..
It's a horrible skill, not only because of its vicious conditional recharge, which you can be certain will be triggered frequently, but because spamming it will render your other adrenal skills unusable.

The Primeval King · Sep 10, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

"It's Only A Flesh Wound" Paragon elite