Curse

Avenged Darkness · Aug 23, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

Quivering Blade: What a load of crap. Yes I know you can plagued touched daze, big deal. it's still useless

Whirling Axe: Junk, it will be evaded. No one would take this over Eviscerate.

Healing Burst: Awful

Word of Censure: Awful

Illusionary Weaponry: Just take a warrior

Dwarven Battle Stance: For 10 seconds you interrupt RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO all

About every ele elite that isn't an energy management skill - excluding maybe shockwave (for HA) star burst (it's a lot of damage :\) and GoR because it just rocks

Wither: Junk

... that was off the top of my head so i'm probably missing some really obvious ones

Wither is like the best necro hex in the game, pvp wise. IW is the only decent mesmer pve skill. Whirling Axe is only 2 adrenaline, which is why it may seem so pointless. Healing Burst is an amazing skill if your team is coordinated.

None of those skills that you listed are THAT bad.

llsektorll · Aug 23, 2006, 03:06 AM // 03:06

i'd have to say warriors endurance.... like they need energy and if they do u'd just rather be a thumper...

NinjaKai · Aug 23, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by Timmy Shinobi

keystone sig ftl

If you have a signet build Which aren't useless. Then keystone is a gem in your crown.

NinjaKai · Aug 23, 2006, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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Originally Posted by Avenged Darkness

Wither is like the best necro hex in the game, pvp wise. IW is the only decent mesmer pve skill. Whirling Axe is only 2 adrenaline, which is why it may seem so pointless. Healing Burst is an amazing skill if your team is coordinated.

None of those skills that you listed are THAT bad.

I only wonder how much thought he actually put into his post.

Rera · Aug 23, 2006, 05:04 AM // 05:04

Dragon Slash > Quivering Blade. As covered in the Cleave vs. Eviscerate discussion, low adren skills make your high adren skills less efficient. Contrary to what someone posted, you do not spam quivering to build adrenalin. Dragon Slash is a disgusting engine for powering high-cost skills like galrath/silverwing (and, of course, itself).

The high spammability of Quivering compared to DS is an illusion - with the +5a gain from hitting with DS, QB is only slightly more spammable than DS. The big difference is that DS makes *all* of your adrenal skills spammable, whereas QB is only spammable on its own. The primary disadvantage of DS is the high initial cost, so it doesn't play well in situations where you're likely to lose all of your adrenalin frequently.

As others have stated, the usefulness of Wither is mitigated by negative energy weapon switching. While it might not be the worst elite it's probably not "zomg t3h ub4r necro hex!!!" either.

ropes782 · Aug 23, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

I have been reading through alot of peoples posts and have found that people are really just saying the skill and maybe one bad thing about it. If a skill is the WORST skill in the game then you should give your reasons.

Anyways, here is my oppinion on the WORST elite in GW.
(some of you have mentioned this one already)

Skill: Archer's Signet (3sec casting time/45sec recharge)

Description: Elite Signet. All your non-attack skills are disabled for x seconds. For 30 seconds, your next x bow attacks cost no energy.

Attribute: Expertise

Why is this the worst elite you ask? Let me explain.
This may be energy management, but this elite is in the attribute EXPERTISE. For this skill to be relatively useful to anyone, expertise would need to be at 10 so that skills are disabled for only 10secs and the next 4 bow attacks cost no energy. HOWEVER, with 10 in expertise already, all your bow attacks AND all other skills will cost 40% less energy anyways.
Another point to look at is the fact that it takes 3 seconds to fully cast meaning it wastes your time and it can be interupted easily. Also, there is a 45 second recharge on this thing which is way to long for a recharge on a skill like this.

Things Guild Wars could do to make this skill worth while:
1. Change the attribute to Marksmanship, it deals with bow attacks and its "Archer's" Signet for f@#$s sake.
2. Change the casting cost to 2 seconds.
3. Change the recharge to something like 30 seconds.
4. Don't have it disable skills for so long (take off maybe a second or two).

If anyone knows a build that Archer's Signet actually could POSSIBLY work for in any way, please let me know. Cause right now, I could only see this skill working against an Energy Denial Character that keeps your energy at 0 100% of the time. (i was just informed that this skill is good for spamming concussion shot. Don't know how useful that would be though)

Lambentviper · Aug 23, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Avarre

It has a use, therefore it is not the worst elite.

My vote goes to one of the numerous ritualist and assassin elites I can't remember, because they're so completely unused I've never heard of or seen them since capping.

just because you dont see people using them doesnt mean its bad imo.

there were plenty of elites people didnt use until one brave person tried it out thoroghly and now it may dominate in HA.

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Originally Posted by Rera

Dragon Slash > Quivering Blade.

you drive a good arguement, but im afraid this is a thread for worst elites.

saying that dragon slash > quivering blade doesnt make quivering blade as crappy as everyone thinks it is

About Archer's Signet {E} and spamming Concussion Shot: The better elite to take would be Marksman's Wager, though it takes up a preparation, it also gives you energy, not just reducing the cost of attack to 0. The downside is missing your target, which really shouldnt be happening anyways. And you can always bring a second preparation since MW only lasts 1/2 the time without serpent's quickness or quickening zephyr

But apparently, you seem to be one of those people who rather play what everyone else is instead of heading the new builds.

Rera · Aug 23, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Lambentviper

you drive a good arguement, but im afraid this is a thread for worst elites.

saying that dragon slash > quivering blade doesnt make quivering blade as crappy as everyone thinks it is

My comment was in response to the people who were praising QB and using DS as a comparison. My point wasn't to brand QB the worst elite, but to correct misinformation (ie. spam QB for adrenalin), and to point out that if you want to defend an elite, comparing it against an elite that is *actually better* is not a good strategy.

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Originally Posted by Lambentviper

But apparently, you seem to be one of those people who rather play what everyone else is instead of heading the new builds.

If this comment is directed at me, I'm not sure why you would think so. If not, ignore me.

yesitsrob · Aug 24, 2006, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Wither is like the best necro hex in the game, pvp wise.

no, it's not. pvp-wise. It's junk.

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Wither, one of the best Necro elites IN EXISTANCE. If you stack Wither and Maliase on a monk, you can give him 0 or - energy regeneration, crippling him, and you can give sizable degen when combined with other hexes.

you must face shite monks, that's all I can say - any average, hell, any below average monk will focus swap off a malaise/wither - quite frankly, Wither is like... 4 degen that I can remove without hex removal. Actually, the degen on it is pointless.... Malaise is ok because it's not elite.

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Healing Burst is an amazing skill if your team is coordinated.

If my team was as coordinated as EvIL it would still suck.

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Whirling Axe is only 2 adrenaline, which is why it may seem so pointless

You'll also find you disable it more often than not. In fairness... it's an axe skill, and sadly all axe elites are going to struggle with what I think is the best elite in the game, and that's eviscerate.

I forgot about Water Trident. It does rock. my bad

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only wonder how much thought he actually put into his post.

Enough, thanks.

glountz · Aug 24, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18

My turn!
My worst Faction monk elite:
Skill: Life Sheath (5 energy/1 sec casting time/7sec recharge)

Description: For the next 20 seconds, the next 30...126 damage target ally would take is negated.
Attribute: Protection
Skill comparison: Reversal of Fortune.
Why is this the worst elite?
Because in the same attribute line Reversal of Fortune is casted in 1/4 sec, recharges in 2, cost the same energy, is non-elite, and negates exactly the same amount of damage if you incorporate its healing power.

[B]Buff needed[B]:
Life Sheath (5 energy/1 sec casting time/5 sec recharge)
For the next 20 seconds, the next 30...126 damage target ally would take is negated, and target ally have a damage reduction of 3...15.
Basically, Life Sheath becomes a mix between RoF and Shielding Hands. Even with this, it is underpowered.

Marth Reynolds · Aug 24, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Worst elite ever is Discord in my opinion, it only works when your target has a condition and a hex or enchantment on him. and the dmg dealth ain't so much even :/

Illidan Coldage · Aug 24, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by ropes782

I have been reading through alot of peoples posts and have found that people are really just saying the skill and maybe one bad thing about it. If a skill is the WORST skill in the game then you should give your reasons.

Anyways, here is my oppinion on the WORST elite in GW.
(some of you have mentioned this one already)

Skill: Archer's Signet (3sec casting time/45sec recharge)

Description: Elite Signet. All your non-attack skills are disabled for x seconds. For 30 seconds, your next x bow attacks cost no energy.

Attribute: Expertise

Why is this the worst elite you ask? Let me explain.
This may be energy management, but this elite is in the attribute EXPERTISE. For this skill to be relatively useful to anyone, expertise would need to be at 10 so that skills are disabled for only 10secs and the next 4 bow attacks cost no energy. HOWEVER, with 10 in expertise already, all your bow attacks AND all other skills will cost 40% less energy anyways.
Another point to look at is the fact that it takes 3 seconds to fully cast meaning it wastes your time and it can be interupted easily. Also, there is a 45 second recharge on this thing which is way to long for a recharge on a skill like this.

Things Guild Wars could do to make this skill worth while:
1. Change the attribute to Marksmanship, it deals with bow attacks and its "Archer's" Signet for f@#$s sake.
2. Change the casting cost to 2 seconds.
3. Change the recharge to something like 30 seconds.
4. Don't have it disable skills for so long (take off maybe a second or two).

If anyone knows a build that Archer's Signet actually could POSSIBLY work for in any way, please let me know. Cause right now, I could only see this skill working against an Energy Denial Character that keeps your energy at 0 100% of the time. (i was just informed that this skill is good for spamming concussion shot. Don't know how useful that would be though)

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/R/any_DUM_Ranger

Rera · Aug 24, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Illidan Coldage

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/R/any_DUM_Ranger

Punishing shot or Practiced Stance (combined with seeking arrows) are better elites for an interrupt build. As someone pointed out, with high expertise most of your skills don't cost much energy anyway, making AS somewhat redundant, especially with a 3s activation and 45s recharge.

There seem to be a number of elites that would never see use, and I wouldn't be surprised to find Archer's Signet among them.

Mithie · Aug 24, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by glountz

My turn!
My worst Faction monk elite:
Skill: Life Sheath (5 energy/1 sec casting time/7sec recharge)

Description: For the next 20 seconds, the next 30...126 damage target ally would take is negated.
Attribute: Protection
Skill comparison: Reversal of Fortune.
Why is this the worst elite?
Because in the same attribute line Reversal of Fortune is casted in 1/4 sec, recharges in 2, cost the same energy, is non-elite, and negates exactly the same amount of damage if you incorporate its healing power.

[B]Buff needed[B]:
Life Sheath (5 energy/1 sec casting time/5 sec recharge)
For the next 20 seconds, the next 30...126 damage target ally would take is negated, and target ally have a damage reduction of 3...15.
Basically, Life Sheath becomes a mix between RoF and Shielding Hands. Even with this, it is underpowered.

No. Life Sheath doesn't work like RoF. RoF's damage reduction only works for the NEXT HIT, whereas life sheath will "stick" until ALL 126 damage is negated.

For example, I slap RoF on someone, and they get wanded by an ele for 2 damage. BAM, they take 0 damage and the RoF is gone. A warrior goes up to my target and unloads an adren spike on him. He dies.

Same example, but with life sheath: I slap life sheath on the same target, he gets wanded by an ele. BAM! He takes zero damage but life sheath is STILL ON, just that it can only absorb 124 damage now instead of 126. Then, the same warrior goes up to my target and eviscerates him. BAM! My target STILL takes 0 damage, and life sheath is STILL on, just that now, it can only absorb 124-65 = 59 damage now. The war follows up with Exec strike, BAM! My target takes 0 damage AND LIFE SHEATH IS STILL ON! except now, it can only absorb 59-10 = 9 damage. The warrior finishes his spike with pen blow. BAM! Life sheath goes away because it absorbed all the damage it could, and now my target takes 60-9 = 51 damage.

See how useful life sheath is compared to RoF? It's like giving your target an additional 126 hp for 5 energy, and it's quasi spammable with a 7 sec recharge!

Rakj Grazon · Aug 24, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by nightrunner

PnH is pretty bad. Wither is owned by Malaise. Unyielding Aura's only use is to rez people and kill them again. Keystone Signet is pretty useless too.

ok your an idiot. Peace and Harmony is a awesome monk skill. +1 energy bip for 30-78 seconds. Slap that on a monk, your done. Unyielding Aura is... is... ok so UA sucks and everyone agrees. As for keystone signet, that skill is THEE skill in a signet build.

In conclusion- your the type of person who thinks a tnak is a warrior

EDIT- Just noticed what malaise does...sorry i misread it =)

Gigashadow · Aug 24, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Avenged Darkness

Wither is like the best necro hex in the game, pvp wise. IW is the only decent mesmer pve skill. Whirling Axe is only 2 adrenaline, which is why it may seem so pointless. Healing Burst is an amazing skill if your team is coordinated.

Wow, how can anyone be so wrong.

Wither is absolute trash in PvP and anyone who PvPs knows it. Focus swap > you. How often to you see wither in high level GvG? That's right, never.

IW is not 'the only decent mesmer pve skill'. Just to pick another random mesmer elite that is useful in PvE: Mantra of Recall.

Rakj Grazon · Aug 24, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Spoil Victor is not the worst elite. Put it on a monk cuz they generly heal ppl with less health then them. and also it isnt DMG. It is a "loss of health" and will go thru all enchants

Arkantos · Aug 29, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Wither is absolute trash in PvP and anyone who PvPs knows it. Focus swap > you. How often to you see wither in high level GvG? That's right, never.

That's because in high end PvP everyone is running a cookie cutter.

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

IW is not 'the only decent mesmer pve skill'. Just to pick another random mesmer elite that is useful in PvE: Mantra of Recall.

Most of the time the battles over before Mantra of Recall too. In PvE, it's a waste to use an e management elite unless your ele.

Jecht Scye · Aug 29, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Wither sucks because Malaise is there.

Spoil Victor is nice, but useless.

I think what you REALLY meant to say was Wither is good because malaise is there to cover it with. Like a previous person in here said, Wither + Malaise = 0 to negative energy degen. It gives monks fits, even monks with cop because Wither and Malaise have fairly nice recharge rates.

As for the Worst Elite, my vote goes for Unyielding Aura.

Dodo The Extinct · Aug 29, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

Spirit Light Weapon is the worst Elite imo

If u get lucky, it will last for ten seconds! TEN WHOLE SECONDS!