Curse

Axel Zinfandel · Aug 09, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

...that never got it?

Personally, I have a small handful I would have loved to see buffed, that are still pretty useless.

[Locust's Fury]
[Avatar of Balthazar]
[Primal Rage]
[Ravenous Gaze]
[Peace and Harmony]

Tyla · Aug 09, 2008, 07:01 AM // 07:01

[blessed light][boon signet][double dragon][star burst][auspicious parry]

123456789012

lordheinous · Aug 09, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Pve dervishes got the short end of the stick imo; only three "buffs", one of which is actually a nerf no matter how you look at it, one which is a sub-par ias and speed buff, especially considering the non-elite versions of both already available to dervishes, and one of which is for niche builds.

In other words, I was hoping for some kind of worthwhile buffs that would actually make pve dervishes a competitive class for elite areas; unfortunately, didn't happen.

Magikarp · Aug 09, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09

in short: everything.

in detail: Boon Sig, Life Sheath, AoF (yay!), Tease (double yay!), LB sig nonelite (luck? lol), Balths Pendulum, Onslaught (um?), The Power is Yours (double um?), Whirling Axe, Palm Strike, Wastrels Worry, and Mirror of Ice (er?)

silavor · Aug 09, 2008, 07:35 AM // 07:35

The three useless-to-normal-human-beings mind skills. You know what I'm talking about, the deadly-powerful ones when equiped on a monster but hurt you more often than not when you yourself equip them.

Gill Halendt · Aug 09, 2008, 07:39 AM // 07:39

How's Avatar of Balthazar useless btw?

-Makai- · Aug 09, 2008, 07:41 AM // 07:41

[second wind], anyone?

More than anything, I'd really like Spawning Power, Communing and spirits in general to get looked at. Reverting spirit health and burning immunity in PvE would be a start. Most of my fellow Ritualists seem to be in agreement.

Magikarp · Aug 09, 2008, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

How's Avatar of Balthazar useless btw?

its not useless necessarily, but its pretty much garbage compared to Lyssa, Dwanya, and Melandru.

-Lotus- · Aug 09, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

[Avatar of Grenth]
[Double Dragon]
[Wastrel's Collapse]
[Locust's Fury]
[Seeping Wound]
[Second Wind]
[Peace and Harmony]
[Decapitate]
[Charging Strike]
[Hundred Blades]
[Blessed Light]
[Boon Signet]
[Amity]
[Depravity]
[Animate Flesh Golem] (just because it sees play dosnt mean it dosnt suck)
[Star Burst]
[Stone Sheath]
[Energy Boon]
[Ether Prism]
[Grenth's Grasp]
[Avatar of Balthazar]
and
Fast casting in Pve
and
The entire health degen/regen mechanic. its terrible compared to any other source of DPS/HPS and every degen/regen skill in the game is crap. its ridiculous. at least make this 3 hps/dps instead of 2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

How's Avatar of Balthazar useless btw?

it gives three effects:
holy damage: no one cares, because if you dont suck you're already using [Aura of Holy Might]

speed boost: almost totally useless in PvE. only needed for a short time if it ever is.

armor bonus: this is the only useful one nd if need armor great dwarf armor or conviction work just fine.

its not worth the elite slot when you have things like melandru, wounding, lyssa and dwanya.

Axel Zinfandel · Aug 09, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magikarp

its not useless necessarily, but its pretty much garbage compared to Lyssa, Dwanya, and Melandru.

What he said.

In all AoB can be replicated and then some using Aura of Holy Might, conviction, and a speed buff (which is near useless in PvE anyway, save for between battles :/)

Gill Halendt · Aug 09, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

What he said.

In all AoB can be replicated and then some using Aura of Holy Might, conviction, and a speed buff (which is near useless in PvE anyway, save for between battles :/)

Mmhh ok, three skills - one of which is a PvE-only skill - to replicate just one. Sub par, maybe, but "useless" is a bit too much.

Mind you I don't use it and I rarely play my derv anyway. Just asking.

Tyla · Aug 09, 2008, 08:23 AM // 08:23

The PvE-only skill also boosts your damage by about 25%.

Gill Halendt · Aug 09, 2008, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

The PvE-only skill also boosts your damage by about 25%.

That's not the point. You can use it along with any avatar.

Kale Ironfist · Aug 09, 2008, 10:05 AM // 10:05

It's not the fact that the effects of AoB can be replicated with other skills, it's the fact that TWO of the THREE effects aren't needed. If you wanted to deal holy damage, you'd have Aura of Holy Might already (which also boosts your damage output by up to 32DR).

Speed Boost isn't needed except maybe in Hard Mode, since mobs tend to not kite effectively. Even if they do, a snare (most are -50% movement speed) is far stronger than 33% IMS that only affects you.

So, you have effectively taken an elite that gives you +40 armor. Ask yourself, was that worth it?

Quote:

The PvE-only skill also boosts your damage by about 25%.

Uh, no. Even at rank1, it boosts by 21 DR (Damage Rating). +20DR is +41.42% (sqrt2) extra damage. An increase in DR is exactly equal to a drop in AR (Armor Rating). What does this mean? Aura of Holy Might effectively drops opponents' armor by 21...32 (@R1-R12 Kurzick/Luxon)

xeuroli · Aug 09, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08

A monk spell called spellshield which as monk I never used ever.

Gill Halendt · Aug 09, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

So, you have effectively taken an elite that gives you +40 armor. Ask yourself, was that worth it?

I see your point.

How would you change it? What kind of benefits do you think this avatar should include?

High Moral · Aug 09, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I like the fact the elite people like the board warriors say Balthazar needs to be upgraded, yet all noob dervishes uses it.. Its probably the most used avatar.

So, PLEASE DONT buff it, if they do more people would use it.....and....no...noooooooooooooo!

Xenomortis · Aug 09, 2008, 11:53 AM // 11:53

The Blood Magic line.
Vampiric Spirit got a potentially useful change (and it was godly while the bug was in effect), but apart from that, it's pretty much forsaken.

Xx Da Best Xx · Aug 09, 2008, 01:31 PM // 13:31

[whirling axe]
[skull crack]
[punishing shot]
[quick shot]
[withdraw hexes]
[word of censure]
all im listing for now...Most of them are pretty useless

TheodenKing · Aug 09, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

lol @ dervs...

complaining about Avatar of Balth.... priceless.