Curse

NinjaKai · Mar 29, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

I am really surprised that no one has yet suggested using extend enchantments with a sufficient investment into mysticism. Works like a charm, used it with dervish/monk using judges insight at 0 smiting aswell using this combo gives you a decent amount of attack power. Using an enchanting mod works like a charm aswell.

Zodiak · Mar 29, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

With:

16 Earth Prayers for Vow of Strength at its maximum,
A Scythe Mastery of 12,
A Customized Vampiric or Sundering Scythe,
A Speed Buff,
A Hero with Order of Pain or Order of the Vampire,
And a Paragon Hero with Go for the Eyes

you can churn out a massive amount of damage lol

ArKaiN · Mar 29, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarion Silverhand

You fail at suggesting that all PvE offense can be put in one of those 2 categories. Is Spiteful Spirit a spike or degen skill? Is firestorm? Is Meteor Shower? I think you meant to say PvP?

I never suggested that. Those are nukes. You fail when you shift the focus of the argument towards a senseless discussion of labellings.
You're using potentially the most damaging weapon in the game, and an elite that kills things as soon as possible (ideally). Wasting a slot for poisoning when your build aims to let foes live as little as possible is stupid.

jesh · Mar 30, 2007, 06:55 AM // 06:55

Going for degen in PvE is just in general stupid. SS and MS are low damage characters that waste a slot in a PvE party. Yeah yeah, MS is standard in DoA, but that's a lot different than most PvE, and MS isn't used for the damage in that instance.

Degeneration has always been maxed at 20 damage per second, which is pathetic in PvE. Other people on these forums have demonstrated DPS of over 1000 with their heroes in a team build. SS and MS will never even get close to touching that kind of firepower, let alone degeneration.

As for VoS, it might be ok except that Avatar of Lyssa completely strips it of any potential glory.

Zealous Vow
Eremite's Attack
Mystic Sweep
Protector's Strike
Heart of Fury
Splinter Weapon/Nightmare Weapon
Avatar of Lyssa
Res

Add a zealous weapon, an Order of some type, and GftE spam, and you have one of the most damaging characters possible in PvE.

NinjaKai · Mar 30, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesh

Going for degen in PvE is just in general stupid. SS and MS are low damage characters that waste a slot in a PvE party. Yeah yeah, MS is standard in DoA, but that's a lot different than most PvE, and MS isn't used for the damage in that instance.

Degeneration has always been maxed at 20 damage per second, which is pathetic in PvE. Other people on these forums have demonstrated DPS of over 1000 with their heroes in a team build. SS and MS will never even get close to touching that kind of firepower, let alone degeneration.

As for VoS, it might be ok except that Avatar of Lyssa completely strips it of any potential glory.

Zealous Vow
Eremite's Attack
Mystic Sweep
Protector's Strike
Heart of Fury
Splinter Weapon/Nightmare Weapon
Avatar of Lyssa
Res

Add a zealous weapon, an Order of some type, and GftE spam, and you have one of the most damaging characters possible in PvE.

This thread seems more abou talking about how VoS can be used. Not suggesting alternatives to VoS. To be hones, just because you think there are better elites doesn't mean its not a good elite.

ArKaiN · Mar 30, 2007, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesh

Going for degen in PvE is just in general stupid. SS and MS are low damage characters that waste a slot in a PvE party. Yeah yeah, MS is standard in DoA, but that's a lot different than most PvE, and MS isn't used for the damage in that instance.

Degeneration has always been maxed at 20 damage per second, which is pathetic in PvE. Other people on these forums have demonstrated DPS of over 1000 with their heroes in a team build. SS and MS will never even get close to touching that kind of firepower, let alone degeneration.

As for VoS, it might be ok except that Avatar of Lyssa completely strips it of any potential glory.

Zealous Vow[e]
Eremite's Attack
Mystic Sweep
Protector's Strike
Heart of Fury
Splinter Weapon/Nightmare Weapon
Avatar of Lyssa[e]
Res

Add a zealous weapon, an Order of some type, and GftE spam, and you have one of the most damaging characters possible in PvE.

notice any problems?
Other than the fact that it's a D/Rt/W, I mean

m4rk6 · Mar 30, 2007, 04:38 PM // 16:38

/snicker
/point
/laugh

Polynikes of Sparta · Mar 30, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

ROFLMAO. And I don't mean it figuratively. I mean I am literally rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. Man, I wish I could have the powers of almighty Jesh and have a terciary profession. WHOO, that made my day.

~Polynikes

NinjaKai · Mar 30, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polynikes of Sparta

ROFLMAO. And I don't mean it figuratively. I mean I am literally rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. Man, I wish I could have the powers of almighty Jesh and have a terciary profession. WHOO, that made my day.

~Polynikes

Guild Wars has joined forces with Nintendo's Zelda team. Triforce sigil of professions.

runeseeker1 · Apr 02, 2007, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Okay, i have a VoS build, but its not good enough for PvP (because i tried it and it didnt kill anyone) but fell free to try it out in PvE.

Vow of Strength
Heart of Fury
Heart of Holy Flame or Judge's Insight
Healing Skills, rez, etc...

Basically you should be dealing holy (armor-ignoring) damage indefinately (esp. if using Heart of Holy Flame, i dont know Judge's Insight recharges) but you might benefit more if you let the enchant end first then recast it.

Attacking 33% faster while dealing armor ignoring damage is actually quite gimmicky in the PvP aspect because I haven't been able to kill anything. Kinda sad though because I spent a lot of time trying to cap the damn skill =(

You might be better off just using normal attacks, but VoS is easier on your energy.

Anarion Silverhand · Apr 02, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by runeseeker1

Okay, i have a VoS build, but its not good enough for PvP (because i tried it and it didnt kill anyone) but fell free to try it out in PvE.

Basically you should be dealing holy (armor-ignoring) damage indefinately (esp. if using Heart of Holy Flame, i dont know Judge's Insight recharges) but you might benefit more if you let the enchant end first then recast it.

Attacking 33% faster while dealing armor ignoring damage is actually quite gimmicky in the PvP aspect because I haven't been able to kill anything. Kinda sad though because I spent a lot of time trying to cap the damn skill =(

Just because you didn't kill anyone doesn't mean the build is useless.

Oh, and Holy Damage does NOT ignore armor. Please read THIS

jon0592 · Apr 02, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesh

Going for degen in PvE is just in general stupid. SS and MS are low damage characters that waste a slot in a PvE party. Yeah yeah, MS is standard in DoA, but that's a lot different than most PvE, and MS isn't used for the damage in that instance.

Degeneration has always been maxed at 20 damage per second, which is pathetic in PvE. Other people on these forums have demonstrated DPS of over 1000 with their heroes in a team build. SS and MS will never even get close to touching that kind of firepower, let alone degeneration.

As for VoS, it might be ok except that Avatar of Lyssa completely strips it of any potential glory.

Zealous Vow
Eremite's Attack
Mystic Sweep
Protector's Strike
Heart of Fury
Splinter Weapon/Nightmare Weapon
Avatar of Lyssa
Res

Add a zealous weapon, an Order of some type, and GftE spam, and you have one of the most damaging characters possible in PvE.

You come off sounding really smart, and then you blast a D/W/Rt build with 2 elites...I think I'm going to ignore your entire post.

ArKaiN · Apr 02, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon0592

You come off sounding really smart, and then you blast a D/W/Rt build with 2 elites...I think I'm going to ignore your entire post.

But WAIT! It says "res", not "res signet", so it's actually a W/D/Rt/Mo with 2 elites.
I think he should add /Monster and use Impossible Odds

runeseeker1 · Apr 03, 2007, 07:25 AM // 07:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarion Silverhand

Just because you didn't kill anyone doesn't mean the build is useless.

Oh, and Holy Damage does NOT ignore armor. Please read THIS

Okay, holy damage doesnt ignore armor.

I did say it didnt kill anyone, but I didnt say that it was useless, did I?
And in PvE, it totally schooled all those stupid Kournans. And think what it might do to the Torment creatures!

And besides, in PvP, it can do significant pressure and, if played right, you can be able to dish out large amounts of damage each hit! Maybe you could try going /rt secondary and using Weapons like Splinet or Nightmare. Just a thought.

runeseeker1 · Apr 03, 2007, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarion Silverhand

Just because you didn't kill anyone doesn't mean the build is useless.

Oh, and Holy Damage does NOT ignore armor. Please read THIS

Okay, holy damage doesnt ignore armor.

I did say it didnt kill anyone, but I didnt say that it was useless, did I?
And in PvE, it totally schooled all those stupid Kournans. And think what it might do to the Torment creatures!

And besides, in PvP, it can do significant pressure and, if played right, you can be able to dish out large amounts of damage each hit! Maybe you could try going /rt secondary and using Weapons like Splinter or Nightmare. Just a thought.

high priestess anya · Aug 08, 2008, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

Earth 16, Scythe 12 criticals for 122 with +35% damage scythe vs. 60 AL.
Earth 12, Scythe 16 criticals for 130 " "

Higher scythe, lower earth can get you a comparable damage and save attribute points. A spec of 16 scythe with only 9 in earth will critical for 121.

not to mention the higher the scythe att the better chance of crit hit anyway...

Lishy · Aug 08, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

This skill sucks in my team builds because I constantly use conditions on enemies

-Lotus- · Aug 08, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

This skill sucks in my team builds because I constantly use conditions on enemies

yeah, its totally useless now

Lishy · Aug 08, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

I vote this skill be reverted >_>

-Lotus- · Aug 09, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I vote this skill be reverted >_>

IT needed a change, but it would be better with a lower, unconditional damage bonus.