Curse

jon0592 · Mar 26, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

I know what this skill does, but I can't think of how to put it into a build, other than how Wiki states it with things like Judges Insight.

Since it buffs normal attacks, I'm guessing you'd want a speed boost and defence.

Any sample builds where I can see this skill in action?

Coloneh · Mar 26, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

heres one i use occasionally:
[skill]Vow Of Strength[/skill][skill]Heket's rampage[/skill][skill]Veil of Thorns[/skill][skill]Armor of Sanctity[/skill][skill]Mystic regeneration[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill]rebirth sig

Dire red crab

Scythe= 10
Earth= 15
Myst= 6
Beast mastery= 9

Racthoh · Mar 26, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Criticals for over 100 with a sundering scythe I believe (was a while ago when I tested the damage of it against the 60 AL target), use that on my Melonni hero when I play my Paragon spamming Go For The Eyes!

ArKaiN · Mar 27, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

The thing is, scythe attacks are just too good.
You end up actually doing less damage overall then if you were using the animation cutting attacks (eremite's, mystical).
Clock yourself on the dummies and you'll see i'm right

Marverick · Mar 28, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

With Vow of Strength you'll want 16 Earth Prayers, as the % increase from Vow of Strength is greater than that of raising Scythe Mastery above 12.

And yes it does deal less total damage; however it also requires less energy so you can spend your energy on other things. Spamming Eremite's/Mystic Attack/Sweep will cost a lot of energy and you can't keep it up for long unless you use Zealous Vow or a Zealous Scythe Snathe and hit 3 enemies constantly.

Polynikes of Sparta · Mar 28, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

well, in pvp, i can think of a combo that holy ----ing murder anyone...

D/N

sundering scythe of whatever

weaken armor
vow of strength
heart of fury
plague touch
vital boon
zealous renewal
etc etc

tried 60al dummies... crit sundering for 240-something... feels good... xD

~Polynikes

NinjaKai · Mar 28, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

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Originally Posted by Polynikes of Sparta

tried 60al dummies... crit sundering for 240-something... feels good... xD

Things like this never really help. Since thats only critical damage not average.

As for using weaken armor. I also tried a varient like that . Fun times.

ArKaiN · Mar 28, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by Marverick

...and hit 3 enemies constantly.

...which you should do, anyway.
I've tried the build with weaken armor.
3 seconds cast time per foe=bad times
btw, by the time you run out of energy by spamming MS and EA, the mob should be dead. Seriously. If not, [skill]Zealous Renewal[/skill] ftw.

EDIT: I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here. It's just a bad elite, much like [skill]Onslaught[/skill] or [skill]Grenth's Grasp[/skill].

Actually now that I think about it, EDA, vow of silence , the avatars and Reaper's Sweep are the only really good elites dervishes have.
[skill]Zealous Vow[/skill] would be usable, but unfortunately it's just about the only skill I'd use in wind prayers.

XvArchonvX · Mar 28, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

...which you should do, anyway.
I've tried the build with weaken armor.
3 seconds cast time per foe=bad times

Especially when a 1 second cast hex removal leaves you without it for 20 seconds, lol.

Anarion Silverhand · Mar 28, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38

I've been trying to put Vow of Strength to good use myself, but I've found that the hard thing is to balance the attributes Earth and Scythe Mastery to maximize the damage output. Obviously Heket's Rampage supplements this skill very well. Perhaps addApply Poison to it? Even though your WS would be very low, it shouldn't matter as long as you do not switch targets a lot. In PvE, anyway.

ArKaiN · Mar 28, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Anarion Silverhand

I've been trying to put Vow of Strength to good use myself, but I've found that the hard thing is to balance the attributes Earth and Scythe Mastery to maximize the damage output. Obviously Heket's Rampage supplements this skill very much. Perhaps addApply Poison to it? Even though your WS would be very low, it shouldn't matter as long as you do not switch targets a lot. In PvE, anyway.

The whole point of the skill is to do a lot of damage so you can kill things quickly.

Anarion Silverhand · Mar 28, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

The whole point of the skill is to do a lot of damage so you can kill things quickly.

Did I say otherwise?

Ritual del Fuego · Mar 28, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

What about diong something with "Go for the eyes". Maybe something like this:

[skill]Vow of Strength[/skill][skill]"Go for the Eyes!"[/skill][skill]"Stand Your Ground!"[/skill][skill]Conviction[/skill][skill]Veil of Thorns[/skill][skill]Armor of Sanctity[/skill][skill]Remedy Signet[/skill] Rez

The last three skills can be subbed out for PvE/PvP needs. PvE usually doesn't need condition removal so remedy signet can be replaced with something else. Or you can put in Faithful/Watchful intervention depending on how you spread the atts. Another variation if you aren't in mele heavy battles or for PVE would be to sub [skill]vital boon[/skill] and [skill]mystic regeneration[/skill] for [skill]Veil of Thorns[/skill] and [skill]Armor of Sanctity[/skill]. Just some thoughts off the top of my head...or maybe throw in [skill]Heart of Fury[/skill] for one of the skills as well, you just can't keep it up all the time. It would seem that VoS, Go for the eyes, and heart of fury would be a decent mix, however, enchantment stripping would not feel very good...

ArKaiN · Mar 28, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Anarion Silverhand

Did I say otherwise?

yes. In PvE you either degen or you spike. Using both means you're doing less of one or the other potentially, which means there's room for improvement.
This is why people dont use searing flames+lightning orb.
Ritual del Fuego's build looks pretty good, but I belive this:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Build:P..._Hybrid_Spiker
Actually does the same job better.

Coloneh · Mar 28, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

@ritual: GftE is good, but never use Vow Of strength without an IAS

Ritual del Fuego · Mar 29, 2007, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

@ritual: GftE is good, but never use Vow Of strength without an IAS

I agree...that is why I suggested Heart of fury at the end of the post. I had already typed the first part before I came to my senses...

Coloneh · Mar 29, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

hehehe... just making sure everyone knows that.

using attacks skills that arent technically attack skills + vow of strength works well(GFTE is an attack skill in my book, but officially its not)

XvArchonvX · Mar 29, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

yes. In PvE you either degen or you spike. Using both means you're doing less of one or the other potentially, which means there's room for improvement.
This is why people dont use searing flames+lightning orb.
Ritual del Fuego's build looks pretty good, but I belive this:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Build:P..._Hybrid_Spiker
Actually does the same job better.

With no defensive buffs or self heal, I don't think I would trust a build like this much for PvE (especially when weapon mastery can only be a max of 12). A good Dervish build can spam these attack skills just as well with better defense and the paragon skills can be left to a Paragon. Wiki has some good builds, but this isn't one of them imo.

Anarion Silverhand · Mar 29, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

yes. In PvE you either degen or you spike.

You fail at suggesting that all PvE offense can be put in one of those 2 categories. Is Spiteful Spirit a spike or degen skill? Is firestorm? Is Meteor Shower? I think you meant to say PvP?

Racthoh · Mar 29, 2007, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Marverick

With Vow of Strength you'll want 16 Earth Prayers, as the % increase from Vow of Strength is greater than that of raising Scythe Mastery above 12.

Earth 16, Scythe 12 criticals for 122 with +35% damage scythe vs. 60 AL.
Earth 12, Scythe 16 criticals for 130 " "

Higher scythe, lower earth can get you a comparable damage and save attribute points. A spec of 16 scythe with only 9 in earth will critical for 121.