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Snow Bunny · Jul 17, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Marverick

warriors are so limited in their uses in PvE; in fact, they don't really have any uses that surpass other professions.

What other class can AoE KD mobs for about 10 seconds?

deluxe · Jul 18, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Real men play warriors, pussies play dervishes and hit wounding strike on recharge hoping to kill something.

I also hate sins, paragons and ritualists... Core professions get things done.

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 18, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by deluxe

Real men play manly assassins

fixed

let the new flame war begin

sean520 · Jul 18, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

dervs in pve

warriors in pvp by far. (funner, and less, gimmicky(wounding strike spammer!))

JDRyder · Jul 18, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

I have played both classes in pve and pvp, and I "I not every 1" like warrior better. I did not take to time to go over every post here so forgive me if i say something that is already said and accepted as a point of why warrior or derv is better.

Point 1: Something Warriors have over Dervs is knock downs. Ive been using Earth shaker, mokele smash, flail, enraging charge and For great justice a lot of pve for that passed year or so. With that as a base build you can keep 1-5 foes in knock down lock for about 8ish secs meaning they cant get out of any AoE that going on or hurt any 1, so you win in 2 ways. I find this more useful than Dervs ability to do Aoe, however not every thing can be knocked down and Dervs will excel in areas like that

Point 2: Wars dont need energy, but they do need adrenaline meaning unless you take something like FGJ and EC your going to be weaker at the start of the battle but stronger after 5 to 10 secs after the battle has started and will stay stronger. Dervs can just go in and start beating on stuff right away due to the need of energy, their power will go down after 10 to 30secs in to the battle, however you can use zealous weapon and fix this as long as you keep hitting things.

Point 3: Wars have a lot of IAS skills to pick from. When you add up the DPS, When you dont have a IAS your DPS is only half of what it would be if you have with a IAS. IAS works better with war than it does with dervs as well cause you get more adren and it will pumping up your DPS more. Dervs have 1 IAS that i know of and you cant stay in it 100% of the time like a war can. However a lot of dervs attack skills attack 25% faster than a war's attack and this makes it a lot easier to spike down a target with 3 or 4 attacks

So the 2 classes are very different, and depending on your play style will dictate what class you think is better. Im in love with hammers and knockdowns so i like warriors better but some other people may like the AoE and DPS that Dervs offer. They both are good but i feel more useful as a knockdown warrior cause im saving monks energy by keeping things knocked down and boosting my teams AoE DPS by keeping them knocked down.

Alex the Great · Jul 18, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

SY says Hi.

nothing a dervish has can compete with an invincible party amiright?

aoe you say? earthshaker and triple chop

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 18, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

SY says Hi.

nothing a dervish has can compete with an invincible party amiright?

aoe you say? earthshaker and triple chop

Dervs can use SY due to their AoE scythe magic

Earth shaker and triple chop are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible compared to WS. You cant beat the imbaness that is WS atm dont even try.

JDRyder · Jul 18, 2008, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

Dervs can use SY due to their AoE scythe magic

Earth shaker and triple chop are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible compared to WS. You cant beat the imbaness that is WS atm dont even try.

Earth shaker is 1 of the best elites in the game for pve...

Alex the Great · Jul 18, 2008, 04:26 AM // 04:26

if your only reason for dervs is big damage, you fail. Moebius sins put out the highest dps in the game.

dervs have slightly better Dps than warriors because of the aoe, but sins actually have better survivability with [critical defense][critical agility][mystic regeneration]

warriors get chained kd's, invincible party, and the Dps is still very high.

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

Dervs can use SY due to their AoE scythe magic

Earth shaker and triple chop are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible compared to WS. You cant beat the imbaness that is WS atm dont even try.

earthshaker is godly. Triple chop with [splinter weapon] puts out massive damage in just 1 shot. WS is great, but in pve I would rather have no one standing than everyone with deep wound and bleeding.

you gonna hit 8 guys every 4 seconds? kinda hard to maintain Sy unless every enemy stands completely still

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 18, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

you gonna hit 8 guys every 4 seconds? kinda hard to maintain Sy unless every enemy stands completely still

The sunspear pve skill + [heart of fury] is a constant +33 IAS that + mobs + scythe = win. Say there is a 8 man mob 2 swings and your at 6 and most people run [for great justice] which puts you there even faster. You can easily put out SY enough but i don't know why I am arguing.

Arguing that splinter + triple is godly is just plain stupid. You can put splinter on a derv too shocking though that might sound.

As for earthshaker comparing it and WS was a bad idea in the first place they have nothing in common.

Dunno how many of these threads are going to be made all professions are equal in PvE

Ichigo724 · Jul 18, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

The sunspear pve skill + [heart of fury] is a constant +33 IAS

No it doesn't, eternal aura has 30 recharge.

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

Say there is a 8 man mob 2 swings and your at 6

Aside from farming, clumps of 8 enemies standing adjacent is a very, very rare thing.

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

Say there is a 8 man mob 2 swings and your at 6 and most people run [for great justice] which puts you there even faster.

Yeah, great uptime on that one.

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

Arguing that splinter + triple is godly is just plain stupid. You can put splinter on a derv too shocking though that might sound.

Triple chop+splinter means +85 damage (clean, which is immensely useful in HM) damage to up to 3 enemies. Any extra enemies take +38 (clean).

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

As for earthshaker comparing it and WS was a bad idea in the first place they have nothing in common.

I was pretty sure comparing dervishes and warriors in PvE was the topic. WS is a good dervish elite. ES is a good warrior elite. Comparisons are normal.

note: although it might seem differently, I'm not partial to a dervish nor a warrior, I play and enjoy both.

Tyla · Jul 18, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

Dervs can use SY due to their AoE scythe magic

Earth shaker and triple chop are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing terrible compared to WS. You cant beat the imbaness that is WS atm dont even try.

Agreed on Triple Chop, but Earth Shaker can knocklock. With a decent pull, you can permanently shut down an entire mob for around 20'ish seconds. Oh, and don't say no AoE damage.
[whirlwind attack][crude swing]

In terms of effectivity I would go with the ES on this.

Magikarp · Jul 18, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

i agree, there is no more effective utility/damage mitigation than a perma-kd.

again, Earthshaker wins by far.

Snow Bunny · Jul 18, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Whoever says Earthshaker is a bad elite in PvE is retarded.

It's so hard to contain myself from screaming "ERFFFF SHAKURRRRRRRRRRRR" everytime I kd a mob.

Magikarp · Jul 18, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Whoever says Earthshaker is a bad elite in PvE is retarded.

It's so hard to contain myself from screaming "ERFFFF SHAKURRRRRRRRRRRR" everytime I kd a mob.

im screaming it right now, and im not even playing the game.

meemu91 · Jul 19, 2008, 09:53 AM // 09:53

I dislike dervishes since they only have 2 scythe elites.