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GourangaPizza · Jul 16, 2008, 10:12 AM // 10:12

I only reason I would choose dervish over my warrior would be [Watchful Intervention].

Age · Jul 16, 2008, 10:30 AM // 10:30

I take my Warriors over my Dervish anytime as Warrior are non fictional and Dervishes are just fictional as well as what Rotten said.

fireflyry · Jul 16, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

This thread is very, very, silly.

Longasc · Jul 16, 2008, 11:32 AM // 11:32

I prefer Axe Warrior for PvE. Zealous Axe and multiple AoE attacks really work out. Enchantment Maintenance and Enery Management of the Dervish and the slow attack speed always turn me off. Plus Cyclone Axe is real AoE, Scythe radius has been tuned down a lot and to two targets.

I also prefer Warriors for corner blockin due to innate higher armor and supporting skills. Dervishes can do this with conditions, the -X while foes suffering from condition enchantments and Balthazar's Avatar, but it is a bit clumsy and not that effective.

The warrior class also offers flexibility, you have a broad choice of weapons and can have much more playstyles than the dervish. I must also say I am turned off by Dervish forms and prefer Ebon Dust Aura or Wounding Strike, but this might be related to my general disgust of shape- and classchangers, like certain bear forms or Druids in other games.

FF_Timmeh · Jul 16, 2008, 11:33 AM // 11:33

both charakers are very versatile. you have to get this "sword/axe+shield belong to war" and "scythe belong to derv" out of your mind.

you can do war builds with spear or scythe as well.
with derv you coud do even a cryer ^^

i would prefer war cause i like male chars... and male dervs all have skirts :S

a big cons vs derv is, that the assassin or the ranger is a better derv than himselve cause his primary attribute just suxx. that would piss me off as derv.

Sirius-NZ · Jul 16, 2008, 12:42 PM // 12:42

Quite right; A/Ds have substantially more firepower when wielding a scythe because they can crit all the time. It is a slightly broken build, but I guess Ursan needs competition from something.

oliverrr1989 · Jul 16, 2008, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Age

I take my Warriors over my Dervish anytime as Warrior are non fictional and Dervishes are just fictional

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervish

http://www.dankphotos.com/whirling/

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/dervis.htm

Pay particular attention to the 'whirling' dance of the Mevlevi dervishes...see anything familiar? Both Warriors and Dervishes are real, though Anet have obviously changed both a bit to suit their style.

Accursed · Jul 16, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

Yep. Dervishes are as real in real life as a warrior is.

Mitchel · Jul 16, 2008, 01:53 PM // 13:53

I preferred my War pre-EotN (with Ancient Armor, because I used to watch Gladiator at least once a month), then some screens about the AWESOMIFIC Monument Armor for Dervish was released and I dusted of my old Dervish. So yeah, prefer my Derv now, just because he looks more awesome.

lord of all tyria · Jul 16, 2008, 02:07 PM // 14:07

lol im hittin u wif ma scythe

kazi_saki · Jul 16, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Originally Posted by oliverrr1989

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervish

http://www.dankphotos.com/whirling/

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/dervis.htm

They're not wielding scythes! And nothing about enchantments! wtf h4xx0r!

Shiishii Momo · Jul 16, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by RotteN

wait, WHAT ?

So you're realy claiming a class with 3 possible weapons, 140 skills of which 36 elite skills is less versatile and has less build diversity than a class with "only" 1 weapon and "only" 85 skills ( "only" 15 elites).

Seriously, what have you been smoking ?
Just because everyone and their mother on these forums worships the so called "godmode" build doesn't mean it's the only decent warrior build.

I'll pick playing warrior over dervish any day.

Please understand, I did not start this thread as a "flamebait" as someone stated, I really do want the community thoughts presented on this. RotteN, I realize how many skills are in the game for both classes, but you can only have 8 on your bar when you leave a town or outpost. Greater selection doesn't necessarily equate to greater diversity, simply because a lot of those skills are the exaxt same skill with a diferrent icon. I have a warrior that I only played for 6 months or so when i created him 32 months ago, and a Dervish that beat Nightfall in the first week it was released and hasn't been touched since, so I do have some experience playing these two classes. I just do not have the insight as to their playability after all this time, and all the skill adjustments and nerfs, that is why I came to the community to find out what other peoples thoughts were on the pro's and con's of each of the classes. I have a genuine interest in taking up a melee class again.

Magikarp · Jul 16, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Shiishii Momo

Please understand, I did not start this thread as a "flamebait" as someone stated, I really do want the community thoughts presented on this. RotteN, I realize how many skills are in the game for both classes, but you can only have 8 on your bar when you leave a town or outpost. Greater selection doesn't necessarily equate to greater diversity, simply because a lot of those skills are the exaxt same skill with a diferrent icon. I have a warrior that I only played for 6 months or so when i created him 32 months ago, and a Dervish that beat Nightfall in the first week it was released and hasn't been touched since, so I do have some experience playing these two classes. I just do not have the insight as to their playability after all this time, and all the skill adjustments and nerfs, that is why I came to the community to find out what other peoples thoughts were on the pro's and con's of each of the classes. I have a genuine interest in taking up a melee class again.

one: no, they aren't. only a handful of warrior skills are duplicates, so your point is lost there.

two: "Greater selection doesn't necessarily equate to greater diversity, simply because a lot of those skills are the exaxt same skill with a diferrent icon. - no, because it does when i does.

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Typical and ignorant. The "zomg its a man in a dress" argument isn't an argument, its an excuse for not being comfortable with your sexual preference imo. In addition, your narrow-mindedness is appauling. If anet hadn't introduced new classes, much fewer people would be playing today, and we'd have even less diversity than there is now (and anet would be worse off).

Derv's own in the general dps department, whereas warriors can place a KD in a critical position or offer an adren spike."

garbage post. i love the paragon, and they wear skirts, but i think the dervish in both GWs and real life, look retarded and lame, especially when anet tries to make the "ooo coool" with some lumbering scythe gimmick, and a hood. thats called an opinion, not "sexual preference".

as for the DPS argument, again, dervs ONLY beat warriors with TWO SPECIFIC builds. AoL, and VoS, and VoS is disputable thanks to all the stopping you'll be doing casting your garbage while we warriors actually take care of the business. WS is great, and probably the best thing Dervs can offer in pve, and the ONLY thing worth talking about in pvp... but is soon to be nerfed into oblivion.. so cross your fingers they let you derv fanboys keep it in pve.

Snow Bunny · Jul 16, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

Dervishes mainly consisted of this: avatar, mystic regeneration, vital boon.

I do hope you're kidding. When we use Dervs in a group, they may bring an avatar, but MR is a waste of a slot when you could be packing damage.

This thread is full of ignorance; it's slightly amazing how little both 'sides' know about the other class.

RotteN's point at Shishi was good, but most of the other posts here are terrible. Everyone here is saying that warriors have less versatility and that Dervishes are all based around self-healing.

Last time I checked warriors have amazing versatility and Dervishes annihilate shit in PvE, but, carry on.

Magikarp, you obviously do not play PvP

Pleikki · Jul 16, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Warrior, Dervish is worst profession in gw

Magikarp · Jul 16, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

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Magikarp, you obviously do not play PvP

please elaborate your incessant flaming?

as for the rest of your post, i agree that the "sides" in this "debate" are proving the gwg ignorance, and while i can admit my participation in this dumbed-down thread, i never once said the dervish was bad, but that it wasn't my play-style, and that i prefer the warrior. i also defended the warrior from things like you said about the bashing of its versatility etc, so don't clump us all together, because not everyone just says "derrr dervs r guud" or "duh, warz cuz they from core 6 holy trinity".

Snow Bunny · Jul 16, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

whereas warriors can place a KD in a critical position or offer an adren spike.

Dervs can offer a spike in generally the same department damage wise. The thing I'll concede is that a Warrior can frenzy on command, whilst a Derv needs to throw up Heart of Fury.

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WS is great, and probably the best thing Dervs can offer in pve,

Aura of Holy Might + avatar of blowshitup

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(wounding strike) ONLY thing worth talking about in pvp... but is soon to be nerfed into oblivion..

Avatar of Melandru.

That's what I was talking about Magikarp.

If you must know, I prefer the warrior, but I personally find that they each have excellent merits, and are close in terms of viability.

Magikarp · Jul 16, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Dervs can offer a spike in generally the same department damage wise. The thing I'll concede is that a Warrior can frenzy on command, whilst a Derv needs to throw up Heart of Fury.

Aura of Holy Might + avatar of blowshitup

Avatar of Melandru.

That's what I was talking about Magikarp.

If you must know, I prefer the warrior, but I personally find that they each have excellent merits, and are close in terms of viability.

i said "best thing" in pve, not only, as obviously AoHM+Lyssa is great, and i mentioned that it outdamages warriors, so whats your point? i personally think WS is better (while it remains un-nerfed).

as for pvp, yes, Melandru still works wonders, but its nothing compared to WS right now, and if you can prove otherwise, i'll credit that as well. conjure stack and WS are practically unstoppable at this point, why waste your derv on Melan with FFeast in existence?

try sticking to the points instead of flaming others? kthxbai.

Alvarez · Jul 16, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

I chose Warrior, myself. I've tried Dervish a number of times even though they are fun to use, I just have a greater time using my Warrior with her hammers. Knocking down enemies is just so fun!

Yes, I'm talking about PvE play and PvP.

Age · Jul 16, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by oliverrr1989

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervish

http://www.dankphotos.com/whirling/

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/dervis.htm

Pay particular attention to the 'whirling' dance of the Mevlevi dervishes...see anything familiar? Both Warriors and Dervishes are real, though Anet have obviously changed both a bit to suit their style.

Ok.There weren't that many who became Dervishes most became Warriors maybe becasue they were more wealthier and those that were Dervishes weren't so a sort of cheap Warrior.It is a lot like some of the classes in MTW.