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dilan155 · Jul 15, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

i think they need to forget the whole you cant have para and derv in proph and faction, and sins and rits in proph and just give us new stuff. 2 sets of new armor, one for each chapter, and some more skills. and if they cant spend their resources on this, they can hold a contest and im sure they will have plenty of good stuff in no time.

Snow Bunny · Jul 15, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Warrior, if only for SY! The dervish has a greater damage output, especially because of AoE. SY! is such an amazing skill.

Unless you want to make some D/W with SY! - if you can make that work, go Dervish for sure.

Jetdoc · Jul 15, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Seriously though, D-Slasher fueling Brawling and SY really does beat major DPS when the D-Slasher gets it for free and in a second.

I have a hard time finding the Dervish equivalent of this. Providing +100 armor for your party almost all of the time while chaining knockdowns and doing very high DPS is almost a "can't miss" combination.

So, I would say that a Dervish can out-DPS a warrior and do AoE damage, but the knockdown/party benefits of having a warrior seems too good to pass up in PvE.

Vehemence · Jul 15, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

I am not telling you warrior is better than dervish because it is kinda bias since I spend most time with my warrior. However, I dislike Dervish because they depend to much on enchantments. imho, adrenaline skills chain is more interesting for me.

Shiishii Momo · Jul 15, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

one more vote for dervish here.

those 2 extra pips of energy give you so many more options. and area attacks are a no brainer for pve

That's one of the things that I enjoyed about playing Dervish, many of the skills had at cast and end of duration AoE that was fun to configure to the build. And as pointed out earlier, there's something very stoic and inanely heroic about the shinning knight charging into the fray. Lancelot never stopped mid run to put up his enchants, but he also never weilded a scythe, you know? Lots of great view points coming in, please keep them up.

Thanks

oliverrr1989 · Jul 15, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Well I prefer Dervishes, my main is one and I've quickly got bored of every warrior I've made. IMO although they have less armor, the ones they do have look much better than most warrior armors. Also hitting 3 enemies at a time is fun for PvE, and the mysticism attribute can lead to a lot of versatlity with enchantment based casting builds, whereas strength as a primary attribute is a bit more focused. The one thing I will say is that they can be hard to learn, especially when compared to other classes, and you may find some hate in elite areas (which is what ursan and guildies are for ^^) Oh and to all the people who think dervishes can't use SY...um how long do you think it takes to get 8 adrenaline whilst hitting 3 enemies simultaniously with an IAS? Not long.

SpiritThief · Jul 15, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

I like my derv which I play as D/W nine times out of ten. And well the scythe just draws me in, warrior uses the same weapons you find in every other game. Besides Derv reminds me of the Druid in Diablo my loved that class.

[Vow of strength]+[aura of holy might]

But Warrior has penty going for it too. Its sins I find boring in pve.

Earth Prayers 10+3
Scythe 12+1+2

Taurucis · Jul 15, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

exactly

go warrior its not going to be nerfed to hell next update

This.

Personally I prefer Warrior, I don't like having to pause and cast my enchantments once every 20 seconds. It's really annoying.

Thizzle · Jul 15, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Dervishes can easily be used without any or little enchantments. Conviction is a great skill for Dervishes that is a stance and the only enchantment I can think of that's necessary is either Zealous Renewal and Eternal Aura for energy management and to recharge avatars.

MagicalHobo · Jul 15, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

You should try both, and play both for awhile, see which one you like better, and stick with it. There will always be someone who likes Dervish better for this reason and Warriors better for that reason. It just comes down to what YOU prefer, OP.

Spazzer · Jul 15, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

I have more to fear from a Dervish after me than a Warrior.

+1 Dervish

I'm not saying a Warrior can't be more deadly, but they certainly don't make me afraid.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jul 15, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

I have more to fear from a Dervish after me than a Warrior.

+1 Dervish

I'm not saying a Warrior can't be more deadly, but they certainly don't make me afraid.

Never really looked at it that way but its true, I never find myself saying oh shit a warrior.

Squishy ftw · Jul 15, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

bad dervish > bad warrior

good dervish < good warrior

FlamingMetroid · Jul 15, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

+1 for assassin again
srsly people

Magikarp · Jul 15, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

when monking, i've yet to find a dervish even as threatening as a sin. i would say overall threats while monking are..

mesmer, necro, hammer war, axe war, ranger, sword war, ele, sin, dervs, then whatever else.

imnotyourmother · Jul 15, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

I would love to see you play Derv in Presearing Ascalon! So for me the choice is simple. War as there is no derv in presearing.

CoopaTroopa · Jul 15, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

If you're willing to abuse PvE only skills, you can't beat SY/brawling. That combo alone cuts enemy damage by over 85%, which means you can pretty much bring whatever other team build you want.

Another thing to think about is the transition to GW2. I have a feeling that they're going to cut down the 10 professions (to make it easier to balance), and I would think that the dervish would be cut sooner than the warrior.

But that's just personal opinion, and the game is almost 2 years away so just play around with both and figure out what suits your style.

Arkantos · Jul 15, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Play both for a bit, and see what you like best. Both of them are great in PvE.

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go warrior its not going to be nerfed to hell next update

Yeah, ANet are definitely nerfing PvE dervishes in the next skill balance. PvE dervishes are super imba and need to be nerfed. /sarcasm

*Darcy* · Jul 15, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I find my warrior much more versatile than my dervish. Which is why I am maxing titles on warrior.

funkytoejams · Jul 15, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

both are good, in pvp its warrior all the way, a good conjure eviscerate or shock axe warrior can apply serious pressure, (most top 10 guilds run hammer/axe warriors on frontline, ive seen dervs and sins too but they are rare) and i think a axe warrior with IAS is still the highest sustainable dps in the game? not to mention KD, which can interupt, dissable and snare all in one, then theres adrenalin and the highest base armor...,i love my conjure wounding strike derv right now too dont get me wrong, but they are seeing nerfs now like the recent chilling victory nerf and imho they might nerf wounding strike (a deep wound with bleed cover every 3 secs, when you add free ims and long ias, is a little imba imho when you stack conjure, strength n honour, judges insight, sundering weapon, etc, on top of the deep wound, esp if you throw a crit or two in there, dmg is unreal).

for pve i would take a warrior, i actually have only 1 pve character and its a warrior, mostly bcuz i can also farm good $ on her in uw with solo smites+chaos plains or solo fow beach +cave, and it can be fun running gimmick builds in pve sometimes like iway, and they are so versatile as far as builds and soo much fun to play, and if you decide to make an armor set for pvp, you can pvp on your warrior too and its much easier to get in a grp than the derv.