Curse

Yggdrasil · Apr 17, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Eremite's Attack and Mystic Sweep were both nerfed to 1 sec cast. This seems like it'll mess up Lyssa builds quite a bit, now that Scythe Mastery doesn't have any >1 sec activation skills. Any ideas on workarounds/new builds?

zling · Apr 17, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

this will especially hurt all those A/Ds, R/Ds and W/Ds Scythers out there.
will be interesting what HA N00Bs will run now that SWay got nerfed

Teutonic Paladin · Apr 17, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

This update pretty much killed A/Ds too :-D

jimmyboveto · Apr 18, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

This will hurt the dervs... eh, doesn't effect me too much but I did feel that there was a need for some type of nerf.

Yggdrasil · Apr 18, 2008, 12:49 AM // 00:49

The point of this thread, is discussion of the Dervish changes and workarounds for Lyssa builds (which I believe is the only build adversely affected).

On topic, was the change due to non-scythe builds, or were the /D's using scythes? Because I would wonder if changing them from "melee" skills to scythe ones would have helped?

Div · Apr 18, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

I don't see how this affects PvE at all. Since you're rarely spiking anything, the 1/4 means nothing.

cellardweller · Apr 18, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I don't see how this affects PvE at all. Since you're rarely spiking anything, the 1/4 means nothing.

You can no longer use the them to target skill activation with Lyssa or put three of them on your bar in place of an IAS.

Coloneh · Apr 18, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

its not really a big deal. still cuts scythe attack time more than half.

Div · Apr 18, 2008, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

You can no longer use the them to target skill activation with Lyssa or put three of them on your bar in place of an IAS.

Yeah you can.

Axel Zinfandel · Apr 18, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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This month's update is unique. It is a "temporary tournament update" targeted at the final cash-prize tournament, which will take place at the end of April. The skill changes are temporary and will be in effect for only two weeks. They are all geared toward addressing the most immediate issues with Guild Battles.

In order to reduce the possible negative impact on PvE play, we will be reverting the changes on May 1st. For future tournaments, we aim to focus on changes that will not impact PvE play at all.

Quoted from here: (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Devel..._17_April_2008)

Avatar Exico · Apr 18, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

o so what. So two scythe attacks got nerfed big deal. More Scythe skills out there to use for R/D, A/D, W/D. Just to find ones that will suit your character situation. The Dervish professions dont need to worry about those skills got more in their arsnal to use. Now if Chilling Victory got nerfed than that whole different situation so many PvE builds use that skill dish out heavy dmg.

arsie · Apr 18, 2008, 03:25 AM // 03:25

The fact that it is a "temporary tournament update" is probably the most significant thing here. Could it be the beginning of a two tier system? One set of nerfs for PvP and one for PvE?

Dr Strangelove · Apr 18, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

1/4 second is clearly the end of the world. Everyone delete your dervish and spam riverside.

cellardweller · Apr 18, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Yeah you can.

Before nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wack -> dead margonite
After nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wa--oops missed it\
1 second casts are complely unhittable now.

No its not the end of the world, but it definitely drops Lyssa back to a tier 2 elite. I can't imagine choosing it over Wounding, Meladru or VoS now.

Div · Apr 18, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

Before nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wack -> dead margonite
After nerf <aegis starts> -> wack wa--oops missed it\
1 second casts are complely unhittable now.

No its not the end of the world, but it definitely drops Lyssa back to a tier 2 elite. I can't imagine choosing it over Wounding, Meladru or VoS now.

So you're saying you used to be able to twitch a 1 second spell with a 3/4 attack?

Coloneh · Apr 18, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

So you're saying you used to be able to twitch a 1 second spell with a 3/4 attack?

make sure you factor in HoF, but thats still kinda crazy

cellardweller · Apr 18, 2008, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

So you're saying you used to be able to twitch a 1 second spell with a 3/4 attack?

Not twitching but predicting - before you ask, no you can't just hit it .25 seconds earlier because you're reacting to triggers - eg Spellbreaker at 80% hp in the case of the margonites above.

The ias is still usable though, 11 attacks every 12.5 seconds instead of 11.5 so I take that one back. I'd assumed adding a 1/4 second to two elements of the cycle would have resulted in bigger changes but they didn't.