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Klas · May 16, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

Yes, but its attribute is Sunspear rank not Divine Favor.

Axel Zinfandel · May 16, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by ShadowbaneX

alternatively you could use a martial weapon with a "Let the Memory Live Again" inscription and a enchanting mod and an offhand with "Serenity Now", but it amounts to about the same thing.

Alternatively, you can not use that horribly nerfed skill XP

Masseur · May 16, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

you're kidding right? or do you not play Monk, like ever?

[Morkai] · May 16, 2008, 06:10 AM // 06:10

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Alternatively, you can not use that horribly nerfed skill XP

It's one of the best Monk skills ever. The end.

Horus · May 16, 2008, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by Berek

It's one of the best Monk skills ever. The end.

actually imo it IS the best monk skill ever

XDeadboltX · May 16, 2008, 12:30 PM // 12:30

I only thought it was decent when you have lots of enemies on 1 ally. Normally I run it in the deep and thats it.

I D E L E T E D I · May 16, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

wow i am an autofail monk

seed of life is crap imo 25 second recharge? no thanks. SoA does the job of protecting a person under heavy fire far better

XDeadboltX · May 16, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

wow i am an autofail monk

seed of life is crap imo 25 second recharge? no thanks. SoA does the job of protecting a person under heavy fire far better

That was my thoughts too lol

dicecube · May 16, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

<-- fail too

I only use seed of life on ursan teams

Tyla · May 16, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Berek

It's one of the best Monk skills ever. The end.

RoF, PSpirit surpass the ability of it, and they aren't elite or PvE-only skills.

the ruloes · May 16, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Seed of life is an excellent skill, because it lets you see a lot of nice blue numbers on everyone, giving you the illusion that you're a good monk.

I D E L E T E D I · May 16, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by the ruloes

Seed of life is an excellent skill, because it lets you see a lot of nice blue numbers on everyone, giving you the illusion that you're a good monk.

Exactly why UB Monks run HB Monks, BIG NUMBERS MAKES YOU GUD MONK

Yichi · May 16, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

wow i am an autofail monk

seed of life is crap imo 25 second recharge? no thanks. SoA does the job of protecting a person under heavy fire far better

/win thread

stupid 12 char bullshit

joshuarodger · May 16, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

wow i am an autofail monk

seed of life is crap imo 25 second recharge? no thanks. SoA does the job of protecting a person under heavy fire far better

seed of life isn't a protection spell. if you want to protect one person then, yeah SoA is much better. if you need a quick party heal, seed of life is better. put it on the guy getting spiked or holding aggro and then hit him with [shield of abs], or [protective s] and [dwaynas kiss]. 25 second recharge sucks but 300 plus point heal for every party member over 6 seconds for only 5 energy. nothing sucks about that.

I D E L E T E D I · May 16, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

seed of life isn't a protection spell. if you want to protect one person then, yeah SoA is much better. if you need a quick party heal, seed of life is better. put it on the guy getting spiked or holding aggro and then hit him with [shield of abs], or [protective s] and [dwaynas kiss]. 25 second recharge sucks but 300 plus point heal for every party member over 6 seconds for only 5 energy. nothing sucks about that.

What if everone is getting attacked? Then it becomes pretty useless doesnt it. And I am sure most monks are rather good at pre protting these days that they can put PS on the person that is running into the red dots before the damage lands? And if you need a pary heal there are far better choices. SoR, Dwaynas Sorrow on an MM hell even Heal Party is better and less situational than Seed of Life.

and for the record there are no pve skills which are of use to a monk.

Incandecree · May 16, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Great Dwarf Armor is a good skill that could go on a prot bar.

What about Mindbender? The speed buff plus the casting time decrease can make it viable.

What about "I Am Unstoppable"? Knockdown and cripple (sans condition removal) are some things that are very bad to monk through.

Selfless Spirit? I know many may scoff at this skill but the fact that works on ALL spells makes it very viable if you are running diverse bars. Its great for energy management even if it lasts 10..18 seconds

I agree that you do NOT have to use the PvE skills but to just scorn them because they aren't listed in the Divine Favor/Protection/Healing/Smiting skill lines seems a bit narrow-sighted. If they give you the tools I don't see why you can't choose to use them.

joshuarodger · May 16, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

What if everone is getting attacked? Then it becomes pretty useless doesnt it. And I am sure most monks are rather good at pre protting these days that they can put PS on the person that is running into the red dots before the damage lands? And if you need a pary heal there are far better choices. SoR, Dwaynas Sorrow on an MM hell even Heal Party is better and less situational than Seed of Life.

and for the record there are no pve skills which are of use to a monk.

if everyone is getting attacked, then yes it is pretty useless because no one's red bar is going down that much where it's needed and you can use heal party or use individual heals to keep them out of too much harm. if, however, your melees get hit with massive AoE, from a boss, perhaps, and everyone's red bar dops 1/4-1/2 and then someone starts taking the brunt of the rest of the enemies' attacks, that's a good time for seed of life. if you can't find a time, or recognize a situation, where a 300 point party heal can come in handy, even if it is once every 25 seconds, you should find another profession. you're not going to be able to tell me that i haven't seen my whole teams' red bars go from half full to full after using just this one skill, except for the one player i cast it on. i've seen it over and over again. and then all i have to do is keep that one player alive.

EDIT: btw, AI is set up to target the party member with lowest health and/or armor level first.

I D E L E T E D I · May 16, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

The AI never puts much pressure on you, so even if you get KDed in PvE, its not like there is going to be an incoming spike right that second, as opposed to something you might experience in PvP, thus making "I am Unstoppable" rather medicore

I have played around with GDA and its good at what it does, but i preffered the fast recharge of Guardian alot more than GDA.

With weapon swapping i dont see why you would need to sacrifice a skill to increase your casting time, and in HM running faster is still useless.

Selfless Spirit is not really amazing and with most people having a faction rank <4 it will never see any light in the "PvE Meta"( holy crap i just said PvE Meta)

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if everyone is getting attacked, then yes it is pretty useless because no one's red bar is going down that much where it's needed and you can use heal party or use individual heals to keep them out of too much harm. if, however, your melees get hit with massive AoE, from a boss, perhaps, and everyone's red bar dops 1/4-1/2 and then someone starts taking the brunt of the rest of the enemies' attacks, that's a good time for seed of life. if you can't find a time, or recognize a situation, where a 300 point party heal can come in handy, even if it is once every 25 seconds, you should find another profession. you're not going to be able to tell me that i haven't seen my whole teams' red bars go from half full to full after using just this one skill, except for the one player i cast it on. i've seen it over and over again. and then all i have to do is keep that one player alive.

EDIT: btw, AI is set up to target the party member with lowest health and/or armor level first.

What do you do when SoL is recharging, sit around and twdile your thumbs? There are just better alternatives to Seed of life.
And if your whole party members are standing in AoE, you should rage at them or flag them if they are heros. Seriously if your whole team suddenly is getting pressuried that hard in PvE then you are doing something wrong. I never find myself in a situation where half my team is going down.

Incandecree · May 16, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

Mindbendsr: I don't know... weapon swap to possibly get a 1/2s cast for SoA and Guardian or use the skill to guarantee it.

Selfless Spirit: I use a variety of builds. I can't speak for everyone and I wouldn't want to assume that people won't "aspire" to get above rank 4 Luxon/Kurzick. At rank 7 + 20% enchant it lasts 18 seconds. and is more than enough time to gain energy if you are low and the monks aren't getting pressure quoting you "The AI never puts much pressure on you," The AI may put pressure on the front line.

I D E L E T E D I · May 16, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Incandecree

Mindbendsr: I don't know... weapon swap to possibly get a 1/2s cast for SoA and Guardian or use the skill to guarantee it.

Selfless Spirit: I use a variety of builds. I can't speak for everyone and I wouldn't want to assume that people won't "aspire" to get above rank 4 Luxon/Kurzick. At rank 7 + 20% enchant it lasts 18 seconds. and is more than enough time to gain energy if you are low and the monks aren't getting pressure quoting you "The AI never puts much pressure on you," The AI may put pressure on the front line.

But you are still loosing a skill for mindbender. For me I would rather only have a chance of getting a half cast and an extra skill slot than a guaranteed HC

And when i meant pressure i meant pressure on your whole team. its really rare in pve to get pressured that hard. And since its rare i wouldn't spec for it.