Curse

moriz · May 21, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40

this hero team is designed specifically to tailor melee characters, such as warriors, assassins, etc. note that the gwBBcode is not updated, so check out the actual skill descriptions in game.

[build name="melee support" prof=N/Rt restoration=10 channeling=11 soul=9+1+1 curse=4+1][foul feast][plague signet][protective was kaolai][soothing memories][signet of lost souls][splinter weapon][ancestor's rage][death pact signet][/build]
[build name="rit bomber" prof=Rt/N death=12 spawning=12+1+1 restoration=3][boon of creation][spirit's gift][explosive growth][animate bone minion][animate shambling horror][death nova][reclaim essence][death pact signet][/build]
[build name="bomber support" prof=N/Mo death=10+1+1 soul=11+1 heal=10][dwayna's sorrow][jagged bones][death nova][signet of lost souls][taste of death][blood of the master][restore life][cure hex][/build]

the player should be using a melee character with a lot of offensive power, such as a dragonslasher or moebius sin. it's strongly recommended that the player bring [[save yourselves], as well as two monks, a mesmer, and an earth ele as the henches.

distilledwill · May 21, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Nice idea using Reclaim essense to fuel the Rit bomber.

DarkSpirit · May 21, 2008, 03:09 PM // 15:09

I have tried a Rit bomber before and it didn't seem to work out as well as a necro MM due to the lack of soul reaping. How well does the hero use Reclaim Essence?

You have 50% failure on your Plague Signet? Have you tested the build yourself?

miskav · May 21, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Dark, the failure rate isn't all to terrible on the signet, it seems to trigger more often then not (Though the chance is 50% >_>

DarkSpirit · May 21, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by miskav

Dark, the failure rate isn't all to terrible on the signet, it seems to trigger more often then not (Though the chance is 50% >_>

Besides that, I remember that Reclaim Essence wasn't used well by heroes (if they use it at all), but I have not tried it after the AI update. Hero usage for some skills have been improved even though they were not documented in the game update.

Edit: Reclaim Essence seems to work now after the AI update. Nice.

Super Igor · May 21, 2008, 03:39 PM // 15:39

why rit bomber in the first place?

Ben-A-BoO · May 21, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Looks interesting ... I sure gonna give it a whirl.
Although two questions in advance:
1). Why this instead of the original Sabway? or Ractoth's way?
2). Why two death nova?

Thanks for sharing.

BLOODGOAT · May 21, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

I have a question. Why have a support bomber when one is enough and not a N/Rt healer just because they're better than any henchman ever will be?

I understand you're probably trying to break free of the cookie-cutter mold, but god damn, N/Rt just saves your team because Alesia is terrible.

Magikarp · May 21, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

when i play monk, i play something almost identical to this, except for the fact your bomber is waaaay better, so ty very much for the build set-up Moriz.

DarkSpirit · May 21, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

I just tried it out in HM and compare its strength against sabway but sorry it doesn't work as well as sabway.

1. Not enough healing.
2. Rit low level minions are not strong enough and doesn't have the "staying power".
3. Not enough minions at level 12 Death

Your Bomber support N/Mo tend to be the first one to die. Your Plague Signet does fail sometimes due to low level Curse, leaving your melee support N/Rt with the conditions, but you can adjust your attributes for that if you wish.

Super Igor · May 21, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

50% failing chance is bad, and again, why rit? Oo

Jenn · May 21, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

rit = spawning power = explosive growth = gg

MercenaryKnight · May 21, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Rit bombers do work, but never will be as good. Too many enchants and the heroes won't keep them up all the time. Waste of time to make them use enchants just so they can keep summoning minions as fast as a necro can with soul reaping.

DarkSpirit · May 21, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

rit = spawning power = explosive growth = gg

Yes a Rt/N MM is fun and different and believe me, I am the kind of person that loves supporting build concepts that are not really mainstream (e.g. using Vengeance and posting signet builds for mesmers).

Unfortunately, I have yet to find a Rt build, for heroes, that work well enough to my satisfaction and a Rt/N MM is one of the first Rt builds that I have tried on my Rt hero. It wasn't enough to convince me that a Rt hero plays a better MM than a Necro hero.

Super Igor · May 21, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Sorrow Bomber Nec > Rit

AOD_EaSyKiLL · May 21, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

The condition transfer skills on the first Necro seems useless to me since there are no skills that cause conditions on himself or pull them from other players in that build.

Super Igor · May 21, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

play and read in game description, wiki section named "game updates2 is ftw too.

shanaya · May 21, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Rit bomber works very well.

I've been using this Rit/N for a while and it is very, very good:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balian

Rt/N
[skill]Boon of Creation[/skill][skill]Explosive Growth[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Minions[/skill][skill]Jagged Bones[/skill][skill]Death Nova[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Signet of Creation[/skill][skill]Flesh of My Flesh[/skill]

Spawning 12 + 2 +1
Death Magic 12

Rune of vigor
Survivor Insignias
Runes of attunement (get energy to about 47 or so for best results with the runes and staff) and Runes of Vit

Put that on Razah in place of the MM Necro for better results... No energy problems whatsoever and always the last char to die (on the rare occassion it does happen)

and before you say anything, yes the hero will upkeep the enchantments you will not have to do it manually ever

Tyla · May 21, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

I would prefer Plague Sending over Plague Signet, since this is PvE we're talking about.

DarkSpirit · May 21, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by shanaya

Rit bomber works very well.

I've been using this Rit/N for a while and it is very, very good:

That is similar to what I settled on for my Rit/N bomber after testing many build configuration on Xandra. Which is quite different from the OP's build.

The main problem I find, with that build, is the lack energy sometimes. Now that heroes use Reclaim Essence on minions after the DS AI update, it maybe worth revisiting Rt/N MM builds but I would hate replacing Jagged Bones. A necro MM bomber can just rely on soul reaping rather than waste his elite slot for energy management.

A build that although weaker, can be made to work, doesn't justify replacing the better alternative unless it provides some other significant advantage.