Curse

EinherjarMx · Aug 12, 2009, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Hardcore players = Balanced, physicalway, etc.
Casual players = Perma SF+RoJ+CoP/Discord/Sabway

that's plain stupid.

I've seen casual players that don't even know about the sabway/discordway.

Shinier things are meant to be for people who work hard for them. Just as in RL

If I work only 40 hours a week, am I entitled to get the same shiny car as my neighbor who works 60 hours/week, when we have the same wage?

If you're standing for players that want to play their game the way they want, then I WANT TO PLAY using /bamph!

btw, first post was one of the biggest flamebaits I've seen here on guru XD

Targren · Aug 12, 2009, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by kanuks

Your points are ridiculous. Nice try at countering my arguments. Also regarding my poor grammar, english is not my primary language and I bet you that you can't write a secondary language as good as me.

If english is not your primary language, then you have a valid reason to be grammatically challenged. That does not mean you are not. And you also ignored the PERTINENT point that you ARE just a random guy on the internet who claims that the developers think things that Linsey herself has said the opposite of. Therefore, your attempt to appeal to authority failed via the fallacy of misplaced concreteness (Your opinion does not apply to reality).

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Also, calling the casual players "Random morons"...

I didn't. I called PUGs "Random Morons." As I said, "casual" players are not hanging out in elite areas.

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You think you are good because you use SF? You think only the best players can use it? You think that because of that, SF should not be nerfed, since only the "top super elite players" are able to use SF correctly? You're so wrong. Even a newbie can run it.

Except I never said any of those things. I see you've moved on to strawman arguments. I never claimed I was a "super elite player" or even "good." I think I'm doing fairly well, having completed 9/16 of the "accomplishment" titles on my main (which is a ranger and does not have access to SF). Well enough that the game is still fun for me, at least.

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Don't act like you are superior to other players because you abuse of a broken skill.

I never claimed to be a superior player. I pointed out flawed logic. The two are entirely unrelated issues, that you seem to be taking personally.

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What exactly is the difference between a group of 8 players using 6 ursans and a group of 8 players using 7 SFers?

SF still works? But who the hell said anything about Ursan? If anything, Ursan SUPPORTS my point that you claim I am wrong about (that nerfing SF will not make PUGs reappear at UW). DoA was an ursan-fest. Ursan was nerfed. DoA now sees less PUG action than a dead hooker has clients.

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Don't you think that the skill is abused at least a little? The nerf is inevitable and you look bitter about it. It will be so entertaining to come on these forums and see all the whiners complaining about having to play the game normally again. That'll be comdey gold.

And I will laugh at all the "normal" players who continue to cry about not being able to PUG.

If you're trying to PUG an elite area, you're failing already. If an elite area doesn't require coordination, teamwork, and synergy, then it's not an elite area.

kanuks · Aug 12, 2009, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by Targren

If english is not your primary language, then you have a valid reason to be grammatically challenged. That does not mean you are not. And you also ignored the PERTINENT point that you ARE just a random guy on the internet who claims that the developers think things that Linsey herself has said the opposite of. Therefore, your attempt to appeal to authority failed via the fallacy of misplaced concreteness (Your opinion does not apply to reality).

I didn't. I called PUGs "Random Morons." As I said, "casual" players are not hanging out in elite areas.

Except I never said any of those things. I see you've moved on to strawman arguments. I never claimed I was a "super elite player" or even "good." I think I'm doing fairly well, having completed 9/16 of the "accomplishment" titles on my main (which is a ranger and does not have access to SF). Well enough that the game is still fun for me, at least.

I never claimed to be a superior player. I pointed out flawed logic. The two are entirely unrelated issues, that you seem to be taking personally.

SF still works? But who the hell said anything about Ursan? If anything, Ursan SUPPORTS my point that you claim I am wrong about (that nerfing SF will not make PUGs reappear at UW). DoA was an ursan-fest. Ursan was nerfed. DoA now sees less PUG action than a dead hooker has clients.

And I will laugh at all the "normal" players who continue to cry about not being able to PUG.

If you're trying to PUG an elite area, you're failing already. If an elite area doesn't require coordination, teamwork, and synergy, then it's not an elite area.

Multiquote button doesn't seem to work for me so I'll reply with a number referring to your responses to the quotes you quoted :

1 : You act the same as me by implying that the devellopers don't care about an elite area being run in 20 mins. My assumption of them being worried about it is actually probably more accurate than yours. After all, they did nerf the skill twice and they did claim that they are still envisaging another nerf. PS if you are that worried about my grammar then I can write using my primary language and let you have fun with the google translator? Hmm that's what I thought. Usually, someone that starts personnal attacks on a forum board is someone running out of arguments. I can't blame you because the points that favors the SF nerf are a lot superior than the ones that doesn't.

2 : Most of the random pugs consists of casual players so yeah you referred to them as "Random morons". Nice try there buddy. Casual players can and will always be able to hang in these areas because guess what? There is no requirements to reach these outposts (Except for Factions' elite areas which can still be accessible via cheap scrolls). Your statement was elitist at it's best.

3 : Sorry but your attitude makes it look like you feel superior than the random morons known as casual players. According to you, they aren't supposed to hang in elite areas, heh.

4 : Thanks for proving my point. DOA was indeed an ursan fest and it got nerfed. What the hell is UW if not a SF fest? I really don't get how the Ursan's nerf can support your point as you try to claim but fail terribly.

5 : And I will laugh at you crying about your favourite skill being nerfed, that way we will both have a good laugh. Not to mention that pugging can not regress more than it already has. Nerfing SF wouldn't fix the problem entirely but it would at least help a little. Also the pugging problem isn't the only issue with SF. Overfarming an elite area depreciate the economy and will eventually ruin it.

6 : Ok so if a pug attempts an elite area then they fails miserably right? Yeah thanks for proving my points 2 and 3, Dr. Superior. Also, I don't see much "teamwork" in UWSC since the players all takes a different paths. Yeah I guess you guys are playing teamwork from 2x radar range away haha. Nice try. Also, where is the use of "Synergy" in UWSC exactly? 7 characters with practically the same build is quite the opposite of "synergy" if you ask me. Go look at the definition of synergy if you don't believe me.

Targren · Aug 12, 2009, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by kanuks

Multiquote button doesn't seem to work for me so I'll reply with a number referring to your responses to the quotes you quoted :

1 : You act the same as me by implying that the devellopers don't care about an elite area being run in 20 mins. My assumption of them being worried about it is actually probably more accurate than yours. After all, they did nerf the skill twice and they did claim that they are still envisaging another nerf.

Firstly, stop putting words in my mouth. It only makes you look dishonest. I never said they weren't concerned with speed-clears. I said that they were (correctly, IMHO and as I've advocated since the start of this fracas) looking at changing the AREA instead of the SKILL. Yes, they nerfed the skill twice, and oh yeah... buffed it twice, and left it maintainable intentionally.

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PS if you are that worried about my grammar then I can write using my primary language and let you have fun with the google translator? Hmm that's what I thought. Usually, someone that starts personnal attacks on a forum board is someone running out of arguments.

You're certainly fixated, aren't you? The point was that you were wrong, you have no business speaking for the developers, especially when you DIRECTLY contradict what they themselves have said.

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I can't blame you because the points that favors the SF nerf are a lot superior than the ones that doesn't.

That has yet to be demonstrated. Not one of them, to date, succeeds logically, substantiated by fact rather than preference.

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2 : Most of the random pugs consists of casual players so yeah you referred to them as "Random morons". Nice try there buddy. Casual players can and will always be able to hang in these areas because guess what? There is no requirements to reach these outposts (Except for Factions' elite areas which can still be accessible via cheap scrolls). Your statement was elitist at it's best.

That makes no sense... First off, there ARE requirements for entering all but two elite areas (Tombs and Sorrow's Furnace, if they are even considered "Elite" anymore...), completely independent of "reaching the outpost." Secondly, just because they reach the outpost does not mean they have any intention of waiting around for two hours for a pug to form before spending 2-3 in the elite area, only to probably fail. So either you're full of it, or you're using a definition of "casual" that I was not previously aware of.

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3 : Sorry but your attitude makes it look like you feel superior than the random morons known as casual players. According to you, they aren't supposed to hang in elite areas, heh.

You're the one who called casual players "random morons."

I called pugs "Random Morons." That is based entirely on experience, and it is an experience shared by many. Just look at the old 7-heroes thread.

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4 : Thanks for proving my point. DOA was indeed an ursan fest and it got nerfed. What the hell is UW if not a SF fest? I really don't get how the Ursan's nerf can support your point as you try to claim but fail terribly.

I will explain it more simply (because you will doubtless use your "English is not my primary language" dodge to explain your illiteracy on this point, despite the fact that you were able to read everything else I wrote.)

GIVEN: DoA was an ursan fest.
GIVEN: While DoA was an ursan fest, it was crowded, and there was always a pug to be had (if you met requirements).
CHANGE: Ursan was nerfed.
RESULT: No more PUGs in DoA.

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5 : And I will laugh at you crying about your favourite skill being nerfed, that way we will both have a good laugh.

Those bastards are going to nerf Broad Head Arrow?!

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Not to mention that pugging can not regress more than it already has. Nerfing SF wouldn't fix the problem entirely but it would at least help a little.

No. It won't. See DoA.

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Also the pugging problem isn't the only issue with SF.
Overfarming an elite area depreciate the economy and will eventually ruin it.

Another failed argument. There is no such thing as an "economy" when supply is infinite. There is no "Central Bank of Tyria" that gives the coins to monsters to drop.

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6 : Ok so if a pug attempts an elite area then they fails miserably right?

Usually, yes.

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Also, I don't see much "teamwork" in UWSC since the players all takes a different paths.

Then you don't know what teamwork means. What's the word in your language for "everyone does his part and coordinates with everyone else?"

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Also, where is the use of "Synergy" in UWSC exactly?
7 characters with practically the same build is quite the opposite of "synergy" if you ask me. Go look at the definition of synergy if you don't believe me.

And you show your ignorance again. All of the sins in UWSC don't use the same build because of 2 skills any more than most rangers use the same build because they all take Distracting Shot.

JONO51 · Aug 12, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Targren

GIVEN: DoA was an ursan fest.
GIVEN: While DoA was an ursan fest, it was crowded, and there was always a pug to be had (if you met requirements).
CHANGE: Ursan was nerfed.
RESULT: No more PUGs in DoA.

Before you go into DoA, the reason the area never gained popularity from the start was because it was designed poorly. It was released in NM with stupid environmental effects that focused around pretty much eliminating certain profession from play entirely, i.e. any physicals.

Add on to that the things that have been used as a challenge over the years in pve mobs (bigger numbers of enemies, gimmicky skillbars designed to remove certain professions and general stat pushing). All this meant was, people flocked to the new area on release area, found it was stupid and never really went back, until of course ursan provided a way to even it out a little and after a "rebalance" of the place in NM at least.

UW on the other hand is pretty different, as it has had constant play over the years and is far less discriminatory to professions. I don't think comparing the areas is entirely fair really.

And you can find pugs in German districts, or at least you could a few months ago (haven't looked in a while).

kanuks · Aug 12, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Targren

Firstly, stop putting words in my mouth. It only makes you look dishonest. I never said they weren't concerned with speed-clears. I said that they were (correctly, IMHO and as I've advocated since the start of this fracas) looking at changing the AREA instead of the SKILL. Yes, they nerfed the skill twice, and oh yeah... buffed it twice, and left it maintainable intentionally.

Yet they are still reconsidering a nerf...

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Originally Posted by Targren

You're certainly fixated, aren't you? The point was that you were wrong, you have no business speaking for the developers, especially when you DIRECTLY contradict what they themselves have said.

They said they had a concern with speed clears and those runs are abused because of SF. Where do I contradict what they said exactly? Be it a skill nerf or an area nerf, the result is the same : no peoples clearing an elite area in 20 mins. You get it or you want a picture?

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Originally Posted by Targren

That has yet to be demonstrated. Not one of them, to date, succeeds logically, substantiated by fact rather than preference.

Has yet to be demonstrated? Have you even read this thread? Of course, someone using Ursan as a reason or a proof that SF should not be nerfed isn't going to see the light behind the reasons why SF should be nerfed. You are biased as hell.

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Originally Posted by Targren

That makes no sense... First off, there ARE requirements for entering all but two elite areas (Tombs and Sorrow's Furnace, if they are even considered "Elite" anymore...), completely independent of "reaching the outpost." Secondly, just because they reach the outpost does not mean they have any intention of waiting around for two hours for a pug to form before spending 2-3 in the elite area, only to probably fail. So either you're full of it, or you're using a definition of "casual" that I was not previously aware of.

What are these requirements? Finish the game? Pay one platinum. Whoa big deal! You act like only farmers should play UW or what? That's what u just said. You act like casual players are the ones that haven't finished one of the campaign yet.

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Originally Posted by Targren

You're the one who called casual players "random morons."

No you are. Which players do you think have the most needs of forming a pug? Thats right, casual players. You called pugs "random morons" but fail to admit that 90% of the pugs are casual players. Admit that you are wrong instead trying to justify the idiocy that you said. You talk about me putting words in your mouth and then you say I am the one that called casual players moron. What a nice use of double standards.

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Originally Posted by Targren

I called pugs "Random Morons." That is based entirely on experience, and it is an experience shared by many. Just look at the old 7-heroes thread.

Read my previous response : 90% of pugs are casual players, smartass.

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Originally Posted by Targren

I will explain it more simply (because you will doubtless use your "English is not my primary language" dodge to explain your illiteracy on this point, despite the fact that you were able to read everything else I wrote.)

Again, personnal insults. Running out of arguments perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Targren

GIVEN: DoA was an ursan fest.
GIVEN: While DoA was an ursan fest, it was crowded, and there was always a pug to be had (if you met requirements).
CHANGE: Ursan was nerfed.
RESULT: No more PUGs in DoA.

The difference is blatant but you fail to see it :

Ursan doa = pugs everywhere. easy to get a game but everyone using 2 monks + 6 ursans so that goes against the GW philosophy.

UWSC with SF = No one can find a pug but that's still groups consisting of 7 SFers. That goes even more against the GW philosophy.

Your entire argument is based over the fact that even if SF is nerfed, forming a pug will still be very difficult (You ignore the fact that it would still be easier than it is right now). But you fail to admit that SF is a broken skill, the most broken in the game on top of that. Ursan was broken and got hit by the nerf bat, SF is broken and should be nerfed. You know it but you don't want to admit it.

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Originally Posted by Targren

Those bastards are going to nerf Broad Head Arrow?!

Nice attempt at being funny but still a miserable fail.

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Originally Posted by Targren

No. It won't. See DoA.

It won't be as bad as it is now. You know it.

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Originally Posted by Targren

Another failed argument. There is no such thing as an "economy" when supply is infinite. There is no "Central Bank of Tyria" that gives the coins to monsters to drop.

Sorry but the concept of economy is used in each and every mmorpg. No need of a central bank. A game's economy begins to fail when an item that used to sell for 100k is now sold for less than 5k because some areas are overfarmed. Sup vigors used to be 100k. Then there was the ettin run and they quickly dropped to the 20k range.

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Originally Posted by Targren

Usually, yes.

But according to you they shouldn't even have the right to try, Mr. Superiority.

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Originally Posted by Targren

Then you don't know what teamwork means. What's the word in your language for "everyone does his part and coordinates with everyone else?"

Yes everyone does his part... litterally. His part of the map... alone. Great teamwork indeed...

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Originally Posted by Targren

And you show your ignorance again. All of the sins in UWSC don't use the same build because of 2 skills any more than most rangers use the same build because they all take Distracting Shot.

The difference here is that it's 3 skills AND the same build concept : be invincible and be able to do enough damage to do your part alone. There is no synergy. It's not like 2 SFers coupled together benefits a lot from each other more than let's say, a monk and a warrior. Warrior needs the healing while the monk needs the enemies killed. A synegized team is more like front lines, middle lines, casters and healers. 7 SFers are the opposite of synergy. You fail big time on that one.

Bloodgrave · Aug 12, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

If a skill is unbalanced enough to produce 13 pages of QQ then I guess that counts for something.

AtomicMew · Aug 12, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by kanuks

Using stone of jordans as an example is ridiculous because D2's economy was the most pathetic economy of any games ever. When an economy rely on a very rare item that was duped with a hack to the point it became very common then it's easy to realise the economy in question Fails with a capital F.

wrong is wrong. You are it.

SoJ as currency arose because gold was worthless. Hack or not has ZERO bearing on whether the economy was bad or not. If SoJs didn't exist, there would just be some other currency, like gems or runestones.

That's so dead obvious, I'm seriously not even sure how you can be so illogical.

AtomicMew · Aug 12, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Bloodgrave

If a skill is unbalanced enough to produce 13 pages of QQ then I guess that counts for something.

No it doesn't. I could QQ for HOURS about shit 99% of people don't even care about.

People just need to get over it, and play the damn game the way they want and let other players play how they want. UWSC has ZERO effect on you if you just ignore it.

People just need to stop being so god aweful spiteful.

kanuks · Aug 12, 2009, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by traversc

wrong is wrong. You are it.

SoJ as currency arose because gold was worthless. Hack or not has ZERO bearing on whether the economy was bad or not. If SoJs didn't exist, there would just be some other currency, like gems or runestones.

That's so dead obvious, I'm seriously not even sure how you can be so illogical.

Runes are the new economy of D2 on ladder. You taking the soj as an example was just bad... Yes d2 needed a currency other than gold but soj as an example isn't the best you could state.

Do you want GW's gold to be meaningless? If ectos was the new GW currency then it would just collapse since the only way to earn money would be to play in UW.

Ugh · Aug 12, 2009, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by traversc

People just need to get over it, and play the damn game the way they want and let other players play how they want. UWSC has ZERO effect on you if you just ignore it.

Go back and read through the thread. But this time, open your eyes.
Edit: Actually, you're right! If I just stay huddled in Ascalon and ignore every high-end area in the game, SF will have no effect on me.

It would be nice if an employee would confirm their plans for SF/SCs. These threads are starting to get dull.

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 12, 2009, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Hardcore players = Balanced

Whenever I hear of "balanced," I'm always put in mind of that DoA build called Balanced. It was made of Elementalists, Monks, Necromancers, and I believe a Warrior.

If you didn't play the exact carbon-copy build, or worse yet, another class? You were SOL and JWF - shit outta luck and jolly well RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed.

upier · Aug 13, 2009, 12:25 AM // 00:25

I am bored of this thread, because it's just the same thing over and over again.
Still, this one is just too good to let go:

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Originally Posted by kanuks

Your entire argument is based over the fact that even if SF is nerfed, forming a pug will still be very difficult (You ignore the fact that it would still be easier than it is right now). But you fail to admit that SF is a broken skill, the most broken in the game on top of that. Ursan was broken and got hit by the nerf bat, SF is broken and should be nerfed. You know it but you don't want to admit it.

SF is broken.
The funny thing?
Not only is A.Net aware of this, they DESIGNED it to be broken.
It's a PvE only skill designed for farming.

The simple fact that SF is broken, doesn't mean it needs to be fixed.

Jeydra · Aug 13, 2009, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by Targren

GIVEN: DoA was an ursan fest.
GIVEN: While DoA was an ursan fest, it was crowded, and there was always a pug to be had (if you met requirements).
CHANGE: Ursan was nerfed.
RESULT: No more PUGs in DoA.

Asked and answered, I want to see your answer.

DoA is incredibly hard. It's hard enough in NM to do. UW is really hard as well, if only because of the Four Horsemen. Are you claiming that with Shadow Form nerfed, you won't be able to get a PuG to do Thommis HM during ZQ days?

@above - I thought you agreed that meeting crap with more crap isn't a smart thing to do.

maxxfury · Aug 13, 2009, 12:54 AM // 00:54

If SF gets a nerf....

Something will pop up in its place again...

BUT!...

Hopefully with more variation on "accepted" classes..

neff it...i dont care

im a member of the "i dont farm" club

BUT, expect sopmething almost as lame to follow it!!

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UW is really hard as well, if only because of the Four Horsemen. Are you claiming that with Shadow Form nerfed, you won't be able to get a PuG to do Thommis HM during ZQ days?
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i like this post

and in a semi-responce. Horsemen are THE hard point in UW...but with a group of people who arent idiots :P and yes Jeydra i know YOU know...its not THAT hard

*more a solidification of your point

BUT its perfectly do-able without a sf sin....so long as your not alseep or completely retarded.....

Retro quote!

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Originally Posted by traversc

The only 2 reasons I can think of are:
1) Youre a noob and you need a scapegoat to explain why you have no money and continue to be poor and a noob.
2) Youre already rich in the face and want your e-peen to mean more by not allowing others to have eblades, VSF, obbys, FoW, etc because you're a giant MF.

Tbh......yes....period.

*edit : wow...beer makes me do

smileys a lot

AtomicMew · Aug 13, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by kanuks

Do you want GW's gold to be meaningless? If ectos was the new GW currency then it would just collapse since the only way to earn money would be to play in UW.

Um, no? Where did I ever say that or remotely imply that?

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Go back and read throught the thread. But this time, open your eyes.

How mind-boggling ironic.

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Edit: Actually, you're right! If I just stay huddled in Ascalon and ignore every high-end area in the game, SF will have no effect on me.

So UWSC reduces your purchasing power how?

YOU need to re-read this thread. It's been agreed that UWSC is actually not that fast compared to other farms.

Furthermore, people who do UWSC don't even play the game with you, so again, why do you care?

The only 2 reasons I can think of are:
1) Youre a noob and you need a scapegoat to explain why you have no money and continue to be poor and a noob.
2) Youre already rich in the face and want your e-peen to mean more by not allowing others to have eblades, VSF, obbys, FoW, etc because you're a giant MF.

So which are you?

upier · Aug 13, 2009, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

@above - I thought you agreed that meeting crap with more crap isn't a smart thing to do.

I just said this is just going round and round and round:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=188

So that would be a "no".

Ugh · Aug 13, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by traversc

*entire post*

I have no idea how you managed to stray that incredibly far from my point.

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So UWSC reduces your purchasing power how?

YOU need to re-read this thread. It's been agreed that UWSC is actually not that fast compared to other farms.

Not only is that not even close to what I was talking about, it's wrong. The only time UWSC isn't that much faster is when compared to a similar farm with obby tanks.

To clarify:

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Originally Posted by traversc

UWSC has ZERO effect on you if you just ignore it.

That is untrue for several reasons listed throughout this thread and its predecessor. Since it has been discussed many times, I wanted you to reread this thread instead of blindly repeating the same (false) argument.

When I said:

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Edit: Actually, you're right! If I just stay huddled in Ascalon and ignore every high-end area in the game, SF will have no effect on me.

I was satirizing the fact that SF is used in almost every high-end area and would be impossible to ignore without resticting myself to low-end areas or NM.

From now on, please read both my responses and the part I am responding to to avoid further confusion.

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Furthermore, people who do UWSC don't even play the game with you, so again, why do you care?

The only 2 reasons I can think of are:
1) Youre a noob and you need a scapegoat to explain why you have no money and continue to be poor and a noob.
2) Youre already rich in the face and want your e-peen to mean more by not allowing others to have eblades, VSF, obbys, FoW, etc because you're a giant MF.

3) I'm a person who remembers the good ol' days when GW took skill to excel in and I would like those days to return.
4) I'm a person with enough sense to realize that SF is disgustingly broken.

Life Bringing · Aug 13, 2009, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by Ugh

Not only is that not even close to what I was talking about, it's wrong. The only time UWSC isn't that much faster is when compared to a similar farm with obby tanks.

Umm..He's actually right. UWSC is a shit way to make money. Maybe 7-11k in a half hour? Half of your runs fail? Now compare that to DoA where you can easily get 100k/hour.
EDIT:Now that i read that, i think i misread something.

kanuks · Aug 13, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by upier

I am bored of this thread, because it's just the same thing over and over again.
Still, this one is just too good to let go:

SF is broken.
The funny thing?
Not only is A.Net aware of this, they DESIGNED it to be broken.
It's a PvE only skill designed for farming.

The simple fact that SF is broken, doesn't mean it needs to be fixed.

Oh yeah I can picture it.

A-Net's big boss : "Ok guys! Today we design a broken skill. We want that skill to be abused. You know these Elite areas it took us so much times to develop? Well I want the players to run these in 20 mins with that skill. Oh yeah and since it'll be such a powerful skill, I want it to be class exclusive so that it's not being abused. Hell yeah let's do it. Today's a magical day!"