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FoxBat · Mar 06, 2009, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Infinite energy times two is still infinite. And the Aura heal (~50) is like, one instance of ER's healing. Not much of a change.

But I suppose the +1 e helps slightly when ER is down.

It's academic but ER would absolutely be abused in PvP, more for zfire spam + infuse just like in the old days. It wouldn't replace monks entirely, but just one added to the party would make for extremely degenerate gameplay, and more likely you'd see several running around smiting everything in sight.

Jeydra · Mar 06, 2009, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by Age

I am not talking about infuse only WoH it will out heal infuse wit hthe divine favour bonus plus the bonus for WoH which only costs 5e.Monks don't need infuse.

I've concluded that you are a troll and thus this is my last response to you. If you aren't a troll I apologize, but based on your other posts you'll have to do the mathematics on WoH vs. Infuse and post your analysis to change my mind.

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Infinity energy times two is still infinity. And the Aura heal (~50) is like, one instance of ER's healing. Not much of a change.

I think so too, it's even a slight nerf to Ether Renewal because of the increased cooldown on Aura which makes it one less skill to spam with ... but Ether Renewal retains all of its power and more, because with +1 energy to each cast you'll take less time refreshing your energy when maintaining 8 enchantments.

Snow Bunny · Mar 06, 2009, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by Age

I am not talking about infuse only WoH it will out heal infuse wit hthe divine favour bonus plus the bonus for WoH which only costs 5e.Monks don't need infuse.

The Eles infuse for 300+.

The MAX a monk can [woh] for under the 14/9/9 spec is 244. COUNTING DIVINE FAVOR AND THE UNDER 50% clause.

Not to mention that the Ele has infinite energy.

Age, you're wrong. Face it.

The Ele is simply superior.

MirkoTeran · Mar 06, 2009, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

The Ele is simply superior.

True, and kind of sad at the same time. Eles beating monks at their own game. But its not much of a surprise at current game 'balance'.

Age · Mar 06, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

The Eles infuse for 300+.

The MAX a monk can [woh] for under the 14/9/9 spec is 244. COUNTING DIVINE FAVOR AND THE UNDER 50% clause.

Not to mention that the Ele has infinite energy.

Age, you're wrong. Face it.

The Ele is simply superior.

I tried this out to see which would work better WoH or ZB and they both the same and ZB can do the same jop as infuse.

I can best you at this if I went WoH plus Archane Echo as it out heal infuse completely.

Kale Ironfist · Mar 07, 2009, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by Age

I can best you at this if I went WoH plus Archane Echo as it out heal infuse completely.

...what? You expend FIFTEEN ENERGY to temporarily copy an elite that is ALREADY beaten by Infuse Health on the ER template?

Where is your efficiency? It can't be energy based, since you're expending more energy. It can't be time based, since WoH has triple the activation time. It can't be based on health per spell cast, since Infuse heals more regardless of attribute.

Please explain how your logic works.

Cherng Butter · Mar 11, 2009, 02:54 AM // 02:54

Uhh, kind of off topic, but would a E/Mo hero work w/ this? (micro Glyph + ER, bleh). Do they use Infuse?

FoxBat · Mar 11, 2009, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Heroes are quite good at infusing. Dunkoro destroys rangerspike for example. The only trouble is they can be TOO good, infusing at small or slow drops instead of when it's really needed. If your ele has ER up that shouldn't matter much since they will heal it right back, but it can be an issue when it's down. There's also trouble with other AIs healing the ele and wasting time/energy when the ERd ele will do it himself soon.

Age · Mar 11, 2009, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

...what? You expend FIFTEEN ENERGY to temporarily copy an elite that is ALREADY beaten by Infuse Health on the ER template?

Where is your efficiency? It can't be energy based, since you're expending more energy. It can't be time based, since WoH has triple the activation time. It can't be based on health per spell cast, since Infuse heals more regardless of attribute.

Please explain how your logic works.

I wouldn't use it anyway and infuse doesn't need to be used in pve and 2 WoH without archane acho would out do infuse.

Monk are superior at healing it is thier jop Eles Nuke.

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 11, 2009, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Age

I wouldn't use it anyway and infuse doesn't need to be used in pve and 2 WoH without archane acho would out do infuse.

I don't think you understand. It's not about Infuse being needed. It's about free massive health bursts pretty much as fast as you can mash the infuse button.

PS: I'd like to know how you're getting 2 WoH's on 1 bar without Arcane Echo/whatever other copy skill (unless I'm interpreting that incorrectly - some grammar would be nice). If you're comparing 2 Monks to 1 Ele, thats irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Age

Monk are superior at healing it is thier jop Eles Nuke.

1) It doesn't make a difference what x professions job is, is depends on what x profession can do.
2) The Ele's job isn't nuking, it's support.

Kale Ironfist · Mar 11, 2009, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Where is your efficiency?

You haven't answered this question. Having two characters surpass one character at doing something is not called 'efficiency'.

Age · Mar 11, 2009, 10:42 PM // 22:42

This is not how I would do it is that there is 30 second down time of ER and WoH is like 3 to 6 recharge regardless of spamming it twice that is not that much energy used.Where are you going to use infuse in pve in the first place?

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You haven't answered this question. Having two characters surpass one character at doing something is not called 'efficiency'.
Today 01:19 AM

It has been stated that Monks are the healers or why would they have divine favour.

Cherng Butter · Mar 11, 2009, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Age

This is not how I would do it is that there is 30 second down time of ER and WoH is like 3 to 6 recharge regardless of spamming it twice that is not that much energy used.Where are you going to use infuse in pve in the first place?

It has been stated that Monks are the healers or why would they have divine favour.

There isn't any downtime to ER...
WoH might not cost much energy, but Infuse doesn't cost...any energy...
And you use it anytime you see a health bar that isn't completely red?

Just because the front page of guildwiki.org says that monks heal doesn't mean professions can't break those molds. We have secondary professions, you know.

Moloch Vein · Mar 11, 2009, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Stop arguing with Age, clearly he has absolutely no clue what he's talking about.

Age · Mar 11, 2009, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by Cherng Butter

There isn't any downtime to ER...
WoH might not cost much energy, but Infuse doesn't cost...any energy...
And you use it anytime you see a health bar that isn't completely red?

Just because the front page of guildwiki.org says that monks heal doesn't mean professions can't break those molds. We have secondary professions, you know.

It has down time of 30 seconds to recharge that is a lot and if you are close to the front lines using infuse where the ai will target you instead of your Warrior and who will heal the Ele up with 50% health lost.

The only skills and El should use is rebirth.While we are at it then lets just get rid of Monks altogther.

zling · Mar 11, 2009, 11:07 PM // 23:07

GW is a versatile game... usually 3 different attributes+a primary, primary and secondary professions, etc...
a lot of different profession can fill the various roles, with more or less efficiency and style compared to others...

it might be good, it might be bad, but it's how GW is, ever since it first begun...

MisterB · Mar 11, 2009, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Age

if you are close to the front lines using infuse where the ai will target you instead of your Warrior and who will heal the Ele up with 50% health lost.

Please explain why a healer who is not named, Alesia(Healer Henchman), would consider doing that.

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The only skills and El should use is rebirth.While we are at it then lets just get rid of Monks altogther.

[Rebirth]
Energy Storage
Synergy is epic.
This is Guild Wars, where characters can have two classes.

Chthon · Mar 12, 2009, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Age

It has down time of 30 seconds to recharge

Huh?... With GoS and high enough ES, it recharges faster than it expires -- hence no downtime.

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if you are close to the front lines using infuse where the ai will target you instead of your Warrior

You can (and should) keep yourself under constant PS and SB. That basically makes you a 600 tank anywhere thing hit hard enough to trigger SB. And anywhere things don't hit hard enough to trigger SB, PS will stop any big hits and you can just heal through the rest.

Also, why are you standing near the front line?

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and who will heal the Ele up with 50% health lost.

You heal yourself. Just cast any other spell besides Infuse on any target and you will be healed to full or near-full health.

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Originally Posted by MisterB

[Rebirth]
Energy Storage
Synergy is epic.

Ironically enough, ER eles can get away with rebirth. Just bring a high set or a low set so that you can weapon swap to enough energy to spam your way back out of the hole.

Kale Ironfist · Mar 12, 2009, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Age

This is not how I would do it is that there is 30 second down time of ER and WoH is like 3 to 6 recharge regardless of spamming it twice that is not that much energy used.Where are you going to use infuse in pve in the first place?

Infuse has no recharge, and costs this build no energy. Use it like WoH. Win the game.

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Originally Posted by Age

It has been stated that Monks are the healers or why would they have divine favour.

Which is kind of why we're using Monk skills. Also, despite not having Divine Favor, the power of Infuse is such that you don't need Divine Favor for extra healing.

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It has down time of 30 seconds to recharge that is a lot and if you are close to the front lines using infuse where the ai will target you instead of your Warrior and who will heal the Ele up with 50% health lost.

1. 30 second recharge isn't a problem. That's like saying Aegis isn't worth taking due to its recharge. It's still a powerful skill.
2. Front lines? You're at spellcasting range, and can kite whenever you want.
3. You get healed whenever you cast a spell. Infuse is just one of the skills you've brought. Use another.

Now, can you actually put forward an argument that isn't based on ignorance?

faraaz · Mar 12, 2009, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Stop arguing with Age, clearly he has absolutely no clue what he's talking about.

Confucius say, listen to guy who talks sense.

I am willing to bet people who say "omg monk haz divine favor lol noob NO ONE ELSE CAN HEAL" are the people who wouldnt even consider using N/Rt healers, would say rits cant prot (Weapon Of Warding, Weapon of Shadow say hi!) and who think Ele's have the highest damage output in the game (HM Meteor Shower's 26 damage ftw).

As the old forum adage goes, dont feed the trolls.