Curse

Helix Dreadlock · Jun 07, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

I was youtubing (real word?) and found a decent build for Vale Support on UWSC. I've found 5 or more parties asking for Vale support, and, what do you know? I was rejected ALL FIVE TIMES because I wasn't a Monk or Necromancer. It's just plain ludacris. I am experienced enough to be faster than a necromancer. Why they don't invite me is insane. I use [[Searing Flames] [[Glyph of Lesser Energy] [[Liquid Flame] [[Glowing Gaze] [[Mark of Rodgort] [["By Ural's Hammer!"] [[Rebirth] [Fire Attunement] There is nothing wrong with the build. I'm r6 Dwarf so giving me 9 second BUH time. I'm also using 16 Fire Magic and 14 Energy Storage, with 3 Prot Prayers. I don't want any "people are people, let it be" crap. It's the same thing from everyone. If you have any REAL advice, please post. If not, turn away.

Chocobo1 · Jun 07, 2009, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Real Advice: Get a Necro or a Monk.

It's just the way things are. You have to use a certain build etc, people wont give you a chance if you aren't. Even if the build works, they don't know that. If you were group leader, would you take what is stated in the Wiki, or the W/Mo Healing Hands warrior who says he clears ___________ everyday?

Hanging Man · Jun 07, 2009, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Yeah unfortunately people are terrified of trying anything that isn't the meta.
Unless you roll with a group or guild that knows you then you'll be hard pressed to find a pug willing to experiment

IlikeGW · Jun 07, 2009, 02:38 AM // 02:38

The game audience is retarded and relies on guides to do things (although in many respects it's direct reaction to the game being too rigid for creativity in these areas), so good luck with that. Most people give up on the game rather than subject themselves to the horrible lvl 20 PVE/PVP.

Sub-Zero · Jun 07, 2009, 02:46 AM // 02:46

Ele's dont do much dmg in hm

[DE] · Jun 07, 2009, 02:54 AM // 02:54

If I'm leading a group I want to make sure the builds my team is running are tried and trued.

Nothing personal.

A lot of people only run the wiki builds, and if they haven't tested a build similar to yours, I can understand their apprehension in letting you into the group and possibly jeopardizing the completion of the run.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 07, 2009, 02:55 AM // 02:55

People know whats works, and if I was a leader I would not possibly ruin a run on some random persons word,

MithranArkanere · Jun 07, 2009, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Well, last time I joined a PUG for The underworld, I ended being the last one standing three wipes. Happened the same in the first days of DoA.

You'll be surprised how people tend to sit around and let the enemies hit them, when you can easily avoid them by walking through an ally like a minion, a pet or a spirit.
You can't expect the monks to deal the everything. If you are casting or tanking, it is normal to have the monk focused on you, but if you ran aout of energy, you don't sit around waiting it to recover, you move around and distract enemies and don't get in the way.

People should learn the basics before downloading builds and mashing buttons.

IronSheik · Jun 07, 2009, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Face it, Monks/Necros>Searing flames ele, that build will scatter too much by monument and house.

MercenaryKnight · Jun 07, 2009, 04:40 AM // 04:40

It's hard enough for me to be a 1hp bip p/n even though bip costs 1 energy. I can spam it all day long and still have the useful chants and shouts. This is of course for vsf and I don't have a monk, mesmer or necromancer who beat gw:en. Takes time but theres lots of variants that can beat the regular build or be equivalent. Most people just don't like straying from exact builds until scar or some other good guild manages to find a new build that works better.

Ratson Itamar · Jun 07, 2009, 04:50 AM // 04:50

No offense but your build sucks. A N/Rt will do far, far more damage in UW HM than a fire ele could ever dream to. Even if that wasn't the case and you were equal in sheer power, the N/Rt will still be more favored since SS allows you to cast it and run away from aggro range. I can't stress enough how much valuable that is.

sosycpsycho · Jun 07, 2009, 06:00 AM // 06:00

I run allot of builds and all classes. I agree with above poster ss is apply and move and has been a staple of UW since the early 55/ss duo. Roj is exploited for its lack of scatter. I think your best bet is to form a group yourself or organize within a guild group if you want to try different builds.

Gift3d · Jun 07, 2009, 07:21 AM // 07:21

SF is poop in hm, what are you gonna do a whopping 12 damage with each sf?

Nihilim Dhiamara · Jun 07, 2009, 08:14 AM // 08:14

ele's do less damage in hm and gogo hard res+aoe ench removal

The Riven · Jun 07, 2009, 10:21 AM // 10:21

The OP does have a point though, maybe his example was an extremely bad one but most people are far to rigid in requiring certain PvX builds and dismissing all other builds as sub par.

I do agree that fire magic in HM = epic fail, the build may work, eventually, but in this case a standard SS is faster and in a speed clear.... well the name says it all really.

Tenebrae · Jun 07, 2009, 10:56 AM // 10:56

"People need to expand their thoughts a bit"
Well i think thats true but try first look at yourself. That group wasnt looking for "someone that does aoe damage" , that group is running an SPECIFIC BUILD to do an SPECIFIC TASK in a SPECIFIC ZONE and ofc in a SPECIFIC TIME. If you are not that char , prof or be able to do that then seek another "balanced" group.

Does it sux that almost all PUGS are mister "fast fast , i want my run/money/drop now" ? well yes , but if a group ( or group leader ) is asking for X to do Y and you are not X and seriously ( soz if you didnt realise but no , you cant do the N/Rt work there with its efficiency ) you cant do Y .... dont rage and QQ start your group or do it with guildies.

MagmaRed · Jun 07, 2009, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Problems I saw from your post:

1) Joining a PUG for an elite area
2) Using an Ele for damage in HM
3) -110 health on a caster means a 1 hit kill for most UW monsters in HM
4) You want to break the 'PvX' build, but are doing it in an inferior way

If you want to join a PUG, use what all the PUGs use or don't PUG. If you want to break the standard PUG build found on PvX, at least make it something that works BETTER then the PvX version. Superior runes are frowned upon by a LOT of people, and you use a Major on top of it to drop your health even lower. I understand you intend to stay out of aggro, but we all know that doesn't always work. With a health loss like you have I'd expect you to die well before you even considered fleeing.

It can work, I'm not saying it can't or won't. I am saying it won't work as well as what the PUGs want. If you want to use that, try asking your guild/alliance or friends, not a PUG.

Frothen Flame · Jun 09, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

SF is unusefull in HM. Have u ever tryed to use SF aganist warriors on hm, even in non-elite area? And, for a say, classic SH solo uw-build is unable to kill aatxe in NM-enegry problems(they stucked behind spirits)-it tooked aprox 1 minute to damage 1/3 hp. During down-time they regen-6 hp/sec. As elementalist, i know that Sf is more energy-itensive. So it takes aprox 4-5 minutes to kill group of aatxe(NM!) and even more in HM. To complete ur task u must kill 3 or 4 groups of aatxe.
And also, PUG rarely check ur titles, even if u use Title-related skill.