Curse

Jaigoda · Jun 11, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Assassins can do more damage than warriors, especially in terms of AoE. And PvE is all about damage. Warriors might do better in areas with crazy anti-assassin stuff (interupts and enchantment removal), but otherwise Assassins pretty much overpower warriors in what they can do.

DS+SY is pretty nice, but MS>DB's ~110 DPS with ~30 AoE DPS is pretty nice too.

faraaz · Jun 11, 2009, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

If you want to farm PvE then of course, assassin hands down. If you want to play PvE then go warrior.

You forgot run ... thats a pretty big pro right there.

Also, I'm interested in what you think can blow through PvE faster than a Crit Agility Moebius Death Blossom Save Yourselves sin...or a Way of the Master Wounding Strike Aura of Holy Might sin for that matter...W/D < A/D, W/X < A/W is my point...

Fireblaster · Jun 11, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Assassins do higher damage than warrior. At least with a scythe they do.
Warriors do good damage while they can support with SY and KD.

Just take, what you think is cooler. It doesn't matter in PvE.

TryingToVanquish · Jun 12, 2009, 01:41 AM // 01:41

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0351592&page=2

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If you're using D-Slash (and really, I'd have Whirlwind Attack on that bar because it's more powerful than Death Blossom because of the ability to buff it further), you're dealing more damage than the Moebius Strike using an O-D-MB combo OR an L-O-D-MB combo. SnM is also another factor, and this is also unblockable.

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Less armour? Well well, it's usually people like you saying "LOL CRIT AGLITY IS GUDDER DAN WORIOR IAS".

Bad DPS? You know that this thread is about DPS, right?

A poorly played Warrior isn't worth taking because the utility will probably be wasted.

You're only worth arguing with for the comedy of it.

As long as Warriors push out more utility with the DPS being better under certain circumstances, they'll be better at both.

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So you need to sacrifice at least 4 skill slots to do your shit and you're saying that 'Sins can carry more utility? And that 'Sins can blow things up faster despite the fact that D-Slash / Whirlwind Attack with enough buffs can severely outdamage MS/DB, while being stronger for reaching that damage?

With MS/DB if your target dies too fast youre not getting enough DB or you might miss MS assuming you're killing. With Palm Strike, I hope you're kidding.

1. The answer to "who has more DPS?" depends greatly on whether you count the intra-team synergies or not.

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If you let a Hundred Blades+Whirlwind warrior count 50% of the damage he generates by triggering curses (and 50% of the damage he gets from Orders, GDW, EBSofHonor, etc.), then he's miles and miles ahead of any other melee and third behind the necro who's throwing those curses and the minion master (who we also count with 50% of the damage from the minions triggering curses, plus OoU and EBSofHonor).

If you want to limit your view to the four corners of your skillbar, then MS+DB can't be beat.

For my money, the right way to look at things is from a team perspective, and that favors the warrior. (MS+DB is certainly "good enough" though.)

2. Stop talking about scythes. Armor-sensitive damage = poo. End of story. Doesn't matter which class is wielding it, they're still mediocre. To make matters worse, AoHM (and avatar forms) coverts your damage type, so you can't share in many of those great intra-team synergies.

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I'm going to cut this short. Power Attack is stronger than most scythe attack skills with runes involved, and with the other attack skills you only get stronger including the buffs. "Finish Him!" coming from an ally with Assassins' Promise isn't wrong. Why spend your elite on something attainable by other means, but with more power? Tell me, are you trying to solo this game or something? Cutting off all other possibilities of allies is just dumb. Looking at one versus another is just dumb too, because what about other possibilities? What about this game being a team game? The buffs are so strong that missing them out will only hurt the discussion.

I'm also going to ask you if you even know the strength of WE. Learn how to position yourself and tell your allies to suck less if agro isn't tight, because in PvE, it should be, and unless it's a heavily scattered mob or the mob is near enough dead, you should be hitting enough people to get 6 energy every 2ish seconds.

Also, another point is that Warriors are less dependant on enchantments (whereas an Assassin is a lot more dependant on them), they gain buffs from Asuran Scan (chosen targtet only), AoHM, Power Attack and Strength discounting the other million buffs you could use to further that damage. Critical Scythe is good, but the fact that AoHM, Asuran Scan and such multiply (not sure of the formula, however) with the buffs from Strength and +damage greatly surpasses that of an Assassin.

Again, Deep Wound can be applied once and only once on an enemy. This can be applied by anyone. There are plenty of melee builds which don't carry Deep Wound which are successful in PvE, because in PvE, you don't have to be as spikey as opposed to PvP where having those extra Deep Wounds could prove extremely useful. You think of it too highly in PvE. Sure, it's extremely powerful, but compared to other things it's not worth it. Infact, if you're so uptight about it grab someone with Foul Feast or something, and get him to remove Weakness from you when you get hit by it from Wearying Strike if you're on a Warrior. It'll be better for the 'Sin (Assassins Remedy) and the Warrior.

P.S: I'm curious if you've used a WE Warrior before. The fact you think that one will run out of energy on a WE Scythe amuses me. Tell me, did you even try positioning yourself properly?

wtfisgoingon · Jun 12, 2009, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by AngeliqueSynner

Personally, I play my assassin more than my warrior.
With the Critical Agility Sunspear Skill and Nightstalkers insignias, assassins can keep a higher armor rating than a warrior, even with a lower sunspear rank, and also keeps the 33% attack speed buff pretty much as long as you're swinging.
But I'll admit, 1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2-3 gets boring after a while.

I second the suggestion of making one of each and trying them both before you decide.

lol @ all the silly people who say 123456 = boring.
all characters have a 123456 chain,
unless you're an idiot who just randomly go 2 7 1 3 without pre-thinking your strategic skill order.
and finally, its not about pressing 123456, its about which character has better animation of skills to look at, and of course the aerobatic assassin > warrior x 100.
and as for DPS superiority.
quick burst of DPS = Asns win
steady DPS but slower = Wars win

Cebe · Jun 12, 2009, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by wtfisgoingon

all characters have a 123456 chain,

They don't. They really don't.

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Originally Posted by wtfisgoingon

its about which character has better animation of skills to look at

The blue Ray from Ray of Judgment is far better than your silly prancing Assassin.

bungusmaximus · Jun 12, 2009, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by wtfisgoingon

lol @ all the silly people who say 123456 = boring.
all characters have a 123456 chain,
unless you're an idiot who just randomly go 2 7 1 3 without pre-thinking your strategic skill order.
and finally, its not about pressing 123456, its about which character has better animation of skills to look at, and of course the aerobatic assassin > warrior x 100.
and as for DPS superiority.
quick burst of DPS = Asns win
steady DPS but slower = Wars win

It's about what role in the team you have really, not what buttons you mash. Certain classes are better for certain roles. What people find pretty about anorectic wanna be ninjas is beyond me, but meh, arguing about taste is kinda pointless (and fun

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faraaz · Jun 12, 2009, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

It's about what role in the team you have really, not what buttons you mash. Certain classes are better for certain roles. What people find pretty about anorectic wanna be ninjas is beyond me, but meh, arguing about taste is kinda pointless (and fun

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Tbh, I fell in love with my Assassin (who is female) the first time I used Dark Escape and saw the Assassin's running animation...nothing else in GW looks remotely as cool.