Curse

waeland · Mar 26, 2010, 09:44 AM // 09:44

I finished Nightfall with ele some time ago, now I just started new necro in Factions. Nightfall I played mostly single player with heroes. Now I promised myself to try missions to do with humans whenever possible. But HOW?

First mission (Minister Cho's Estate) - I looked looooong time to get anybody (yes, I tried party search across many district). Then finally some Ele joined me ... he has skill bar full of spells from three different elements with no energy management ... I told him he can get GoLE for free in monastery... he was a lot confused. Instead he asked some his friend to join, lev 20 Rt Spirit Spammer, we started mission but where is fun if all you have to do is exactly nothing? Also they wanted to skip all cinematics, I felt impolite not to do so, but without them storyline is more or less gone for me.

Before second mission I searched some time but nobody was to be found so I then gave up and did mission with henchies. I am not QQ that game is hard, quite contrary, especially now I am in Kaineng Center and have access heroes. I would just love to play with other people. Any advice?

upier · Mar 26, 2010, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Carma · Mar 26, 2010, 10:46 AM // 10:46

It's hard finding a PUG to do missions (but possible).

Best way would be finding a guild that still plays through the game (yes, they do exist).

waeland · Mar 26, 2010, 11:07 AM // 11:07

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Originally Posted by Carma

It's hard finding a PUG to do missions (but possible).

I tried and I failed. So either there is better way than party search + district switching or this is wishful thinking. Of course, I can search even longer, but to search 40min to form PUG for mission which will be finished in 20min even with heroes/henchies is crazy.

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Originally Posted by Carma

Best way would be finding a guild that still plays through the game (yes, they do exist).

I see no sense to make a guild for normal mode. How much people this guild would need so I can have fair chance to find someone interested in one specific NM mission? Window of opportunity is so small, from Kaineng it is 10 missions till end of Factions, about 1 (one) day of gameplay. And as I told, I am not interested in help from advanced players.

LoneManWolf · Mar 26, 2010, 01:14 PM // 13:14

you have to understand that this game is nearly dead
if u want to experience the story line then you are more than likely going to do it alone or with maybe a close friend who might be willing to start a new character or use limited builds so it's more fun for u both
i have been through this game so many times with so many friends
the storyline for me is so boring now but to just spend time with friends i will endure it
that's what you need
finding a pickup group is next to impossible these days

HigherMinion · Mar 26, 2010, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Yes, a big guild of helpful players is all you need. Play in American districts, as they're the busiest in most areas, and stand around for a good ten minutes before resorting to heroes, if you really don't want to play with bots.

PUGs can sometimes be idiots; usually foreign or >7 years old. Just type louder and your advice might get through to them. Good luck finding people. You can always post a thread here in the PUG section, find some regular people to do Missions with?

~Minion.

Urass · Mar 26, 2010, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Originally Posted by upier

You can't.
Multiplayer does not work as a primary way to play the game anymore.

Welcome to the post "skill balanced" unpopulated Guild Wars world. A few more strategic "skill balances" and ANET can finally start shutting down their servers.

Only positive suggestion if you prefer PUGing, is do z-mishs & z-bonus'... then h/h the rest. That again is HM only though, very few Z NM (though many shud).

PaulVanK · Mar 26, 2010, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Look for good guild

Gennadios · Mar 26, 2010, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by PaulVanK

Look for good guild

Good luck. Guilding is used primarily for HM or high end content. They won't help much either.

As for the OP, what upier said. The only people that will really spend a great deal of energy on grouping will be the epically bad ones that can't get thorough the content on their own.

Everyone else knows that they'll save a great deal of time by just henching the early parts.

Either way, there seems to be a false premium attached to the PvE campaigns. The GW community has outgrown them a long time ago. The only real content in GW now is EotN and the various elite missions.

You'll get more fun out of the game if you make an effort to get to them instead of trying to group through the irrelevant filler.

Anime Divine · Mar 26, 2010, 08:14 PM // 20:14

It feels almost like a spiral. It starts with noobs want help and/or play with people." Enjoying the game" But if they have finished everything
They dont want to play with noobs. Cos they are generally dumb and you dont want to waste time anymore. And just rush trough.
So you see the game is only spiralinging down.

Skyy High · Mar 26, 2010, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Urass

Welcome to the post "skill balanced" unpopulated Guild Wars world. A few more strategic "skill balances" and ANET can finally start shutting down their servers.

"They nerfed SF and 600/smite, and that's why you can't find a PUG on newbie island in Factions!"

Sure. Get over it already.

colosusjokers · Mar 26, 2010, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Most people on this game have played through all of it's content so you're not going to see them randomly in a number of the missions "just coming through". A good guild, friends list or alliance that just like to play around go a long way towards getting what you want. Try to ignore the idiots who just want to go "emo" and give responses like some of the ones you got here. They aren't very bright and should be ashamed of themselves.

DcVertigo · Mar 27, 2010, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Look for some of those new guilds, usualy formed by new players that are playing nm and quests ;)
There is in fact a lot of people out there, but do keep in mind the timezones, middle of the day or night in us districts will be pretty quiet.
Then you can try german districts if that's closer to your timezone. If you watch the times you stand a good chance of finding pug's, and to meet some fun people :)
I just pug'ed through prophesies, doing only a handfull primary quests with hench (attribute quests and some walks in between missions)
People have claimed GW is dying a long time, the truth of it is that they don't go out and meet new people, and as time go, the ones they know quit.
So in a way they are right, but it's mostly self inflicted.

Arrogant Bastard · Mar 27, 2010, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Join a guild in a large alliance. Most active pve guilds focus on HM and elite areas, but you will be able to find many people willing to help you. There may be people working on protector titles too.

UnChosen · Mar 27, 2010, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Urass

Welcome to the post "skill balanced" unpopulated Guild Wars world. A few more strategic "skill balances" and ANET can finally start shutting down their servers.

Only positive suggestion if you prefer PUGing, is do z-mishs & z-bonus'... then h/h the rest. That again is HM only though, very few Z NM (though many shud).

So true. But it doesn't really apply to the newbie missions though.

Cuilan · Mar 27, 2010, 03:32 AM // 03:32

In American districts I've always had good enough luck to find people to play with, even if it doesn't fill the part. In a way it's fine because you can use your heroes while also playing with a person. Large guilds help and so does making friends with people you find in-game.

PaulVanK · Mar 27, 2010, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Good luck. Guilding is used primarily for HM or high end content. They won't help much either.

Well I have a good guild that helps with NM also. Even with low lvl missions.

Swahnee · Mar 27, 2010, 10:55 AM // 10:55

A lot of people play only to grind their titles, so they don't want to waste time doing useless nm missions, and when they accept to help some newbie, they come with lvl 20 characters with heroes and everything, looking for finishing that mission as quickly as possible. I know, i've been through that too. This is also the same reason why everybody wants always the same cookie-cutter builds: to have the smaller chance of failing the mission, because they have to go on grinding after that, and they can't waste their time repeating it. And this is also the reason why a lot of newbies don't learn how to play the game, they become the noobs who try to find pugs for FoW, UW and DoA, and who aren't able to jump to PvP.

/end rant

As someone else has already said here, however, there are a few people who still play for fun, but they're a bit difficult to find. My advice is to go on pugging when you are in the mood for it, being careful to understand if there is someone else who, like you, isn't there to grind, but wants to have some fun. Add these people to your friends list and play with them. However, you won't have someone to play with every time, you will need to organize yourselves a bit, for example fixing a date to make some mission together.

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 27, 2010, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

A lot of people play only to grind their titles, so they don't want to waste time doing useless nm missions, and when they accept to help some newbie, they come with lvl 20 characters with heroes and everything, looking for finishing that mission as quickly as possible. I know, i've been through that too. This is also the same reason why everybody wants always the same cookie-cutter builds: to have the smaller chance of failing the mission, because they have to go on grinding after that, and they can't waste their time repeating it. And this is also the reason why a lot of newbies don't learn how to play the game, they become the noobs who try to find pugs for FoW, UW and DoA, and who aren't able to jump to PvP.

/end rant

As someone else has already said here, however, there are a few people who still play for fun, but they're a bit difficult to find. My advice is to go on pugging when you are in the mood for it, being careful to understand if there is someone else who, like you, isn't there to grind, but wants to have some fun. Add these people to your friends list and play with them. However, you won't have someone to play with every time, you will need to organize yourselves a bit, for example fixing a date to make some mission together.

You seem to think fun and ripping through NM again are mutually exclusive. For a lot of people this may be the case, but for some people, myself included, playing NM is fun with new characters, even after 4 years. Having to repeat things and putting up with really stupid people isn't fun; it's just tedious. I been through the whole struggling to beat PvE thing, I'm over that. If you think that's an essential part of your enjoyment, then you're welcome to that opinion, but don't just label everyone who doesn't share it.

PS: Running strong hero builds allows me a lot more flexibility to run random builds/playing with concepts without risking mission/quest failure. That's fun.

dagrdagaz · Mar 28, 2010, 11:32 AM // 11:32

Ask for help in Towns or more popular/populated outposts, instead of the mission outpost or nearest outpost for a quest u wanna do.
Mission outposts and most outposts r often very low on players.

But yeah, a player that will help will prolly try that in a fast and best possible way, wich leaves no or less room to learn.

Finding more players to help with one mission/quest may be easier then to find 1 that will help u with more. So when asking for help in a town, it may be better to not advertise u want help with several mission/quests.