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tealspikes · Dec 08, 2009, 09:05 PM // 21:05

tl;dr

to OP:
People play this game for different reasons, not just yours. Some people play for the experience/challenge, some people play to attain/achieve, and some people play for the competition (typically but not exclusive to PvP). I'm not gonna bore you with a detailed explanation of these personalities but you should understand that for the achiever who you seem to have your gripes with, getting the prize at the end IS the fun. Being able to look at their collection of x y and z items or titles makes them HAPPY, just like the challenge of going toe to toe against a powerful monster when half your party is dead might make you happy. Efficiency matters most to an achiever because how they got there isn't as important, its that they are there holding the trophy - and to the point - dungeon running is more efficient than doing it the old fashion way. Also, this personality makes up the majority in MMORPG's, so get used to them.

HawkofStorms · Dec 08, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

It's not that people prefer to pay for runs.

It's that BAD players who CAN'T do it on there own/with guildies, prefer to pay for runs, because otherwise they have no chance of success.

Edit: Big difference between Dungeon runs... which are done purely for rewards/rep/title points
...and tradition runs to avoid certain parts of the game, like desert tours and Drok's runs. Those at least make sense if somebody does want to skip over certain things on their 18th character. Dungeon runs on the other hand, have no reason to be "skipped."

Bob Slydell · Dec 08, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

I run myself with 2 accounts.

jshrimp3 · Dec 08, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

I pay for dungeon runs sometimes. I do it for the rep, and if it's just a couple plat it's not a big deal. I make the cost back quickly, and I've done the dungeons before, I only want it to fill out the book and get the rep points.

But when the "run" consists of "bring dmg and heals" and costs 7k, then you're just paying someone to organize a pug, and that's just dumb in ever way.

Arduin · Dec 08, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by tealspikes

tl;dr

to OP:
People play this game for different reasons, not just yours. Some people play for the experience/challenge, some people play to attain/achieve, and some people play for the competition (typically but not exclusive to PvP). I'm not gonna bore you with a detailed explanation of these personalities but you should understand that for the achiever who you seem to have your gripes with, getting the prize at the end IS the fun. Being able to look at their collection of x y and z items or titles makes them HAPPY, just like the challenge of going toe to toe against a powerful monster when half your party is dead might make you happy. Efficiency matters most to an achiever because how they got there isn't as important, its that they are there holding the trophy - and to the point - dungeon running is more efficient than doing it the old fashion way. Also, this personality makes up the majority in MMORPG's, so get used to them.

This. You might not define 'getting ran to fill HM books' or acquiring gold through farming as playing, shaygo, but there are people who do enjoy those aspects of GW.

You call those people lazy? What for? Because they don't fit into your frame of 'this is how GW should be played' ?

Golgotha · Dec 08, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

You call those people lazy? What for? Because they don't fit into your frame of 'this is how GW should be played' ?

That seems to be a prominent sentiment around these parts.

Arduin · Dec 08, 2009, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Golgotha

That seems to be a prominent sentiment around these parts.

Of which I am guilty too, on occasion

asb · Dec 08, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

OP: I only get runs to waste time, work on drunkard/TH, and to a small degree for the lottery effect of maybe getting something good of out the end chest. When I run for myself(600/smite), I usually do it with a friend, so we have something to do while chatting. I don't care about maxing titles - I try to to get them high enough for the skills I like to use on certain chars to do work decently. When I feel like actually working on them, I do some eotn missions.
I've never been in a guild, so I haven't had the joy/annoyance of doing dungeons and elite areas as originally intended, but if I ever join one that does these things, I'll gladly participate. You know, for the fun of fighting your way through stuff.

Turbo Ginsu · Dec 08, 2009, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

*Snipped*

It's not that people prefer to pay for runs.

It's that BAD players who CAN'T do it on there own/with guildies, prefer to pay for runs, because otherwise they have no chance of success.

I have 10 active toons. One of each, because well, I like all of the classes and want to use them all. So I do.
I have 2 monks that I 600 and 55 with, an ele too, 330 rit, can farm raptors with ele, sin, mes, ranger and war. Most of the dungeons I get runs through,(Mainly for rep, shinies are a myth)I can run myself with no problems.

What I see here is, an attempt at justifying thousands, yes thousands of grinds through SoO for the 3 BDS's that I've looted from there since I started. Nope, sorry. If it were items I was after, I'd get a run. Just because my guild can adventure as a team through there, and do, it's just a fact that in a game as big as GW, we all have much more important things to do than grind for weeks to get rep or non-existant shinies.

Runs are fast and economical. And free us up to actually play.

Insulting people and calling them bad players, simply to justify your own personal outlook on how things should be done, is elitism at it's worst. If it comes to that, well, I started gaming in 1979, and picked up my first rpg not long after. By my reckoning, weight of years and experience would have me dictate terms on how things should be done. Unless of course, someone who's been gaming longer than I have would rather tell you.

Pure and simple. Enjoy the game the way you like to, and pay no heed to people who want to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs.

As long as you aren't hacking, it's all good. Enjoy your game.

StormDragonZ · Dec 08, 2009, 10:47 PM // 22:47

I've figured it down to three major reasons:

A) You have the money for it.
B) You lost the patience because you have failed too many times with many different groups, both PUG and Guild/Friends.
C) You want Zaishen Coins now!

upier · Dec 08, 2009, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Even then it still is. You're better off getting people to pay you for runs, then turn around and purchase the rep via runs.

If you purchase runs to avoid having to do content you do not want to do, why would you then run it?

JimmyNeutron · Dec 08, 2009, 11:16 PM // 23:16

People who complain about runners are poor class and have no gold.
People that buy runs are upper class and have gold.

See?

Ever heard of someone w/ 5,000K or more complaining that [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], etc... is too expensive????????????? NO!!!!

So if you're poor, complain away. If you're rich, let me know what dungeons you need run in Doomlore and I'll tell you my price.

UnChosen · Dec 08, 2009, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I've figured it down to three major reasons:

A) You have the money for it.
B) You lost the patience because you have failed too many times with many different groups, both PUG and Guild/Friends.
C) You want Zaishen Coins now!

Even if you don't fail its still better to get a run, just because its economically better to do so. Paying 25k for 30min run then farm 45k in the next 1.5 hour = net 20k + Junk + 2 diamond. Playing normally with pugs for 2 hour = just junk + 2 diamonds.

Anakita Snakecharm · Dec 08, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Ever heard of someone w/ 5,000K or more complaining that [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], etc... is too expensive????????????? NO!!!!

I think that's a bit... simplistic. Just because someone has the capability to afford something, doesn't mean they universally feel it's a worthwhile use of their money. Someone may just choose not to invest that much gold in a run, and they have that right.

I wouldn't pay for a run that expensive, personally. That doesn't mean I think no one should, or that runners shouldn't charge that much. Just that I myself wouldn't do it.

It's perfectly reasonable to feel that a cost is more than you're willing to pay for a service, even if you can technically afford that cost. I mean, if the grocery store was selling a loaf of bread for the price of a month's rent, the fact I have the ability to pay my rent doesn't obligate me to feel that the cost of the bread is reasonable for me, or that I should be expected to purchase it without complaint.

The bread is a deliberately exaggerated example-- I'm not saying your runs aren't worth it. Clearly they are to some people, since you regularly get customers. But saying "The only people who wouldn't want my service at my selected pricepoint are the people who can't afford it" is a bit unrealistic.

Turbo Ginsu · Dec 09, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Well, as a lovely addendum to my previous notes on the pro's of getting a run, I have a little story.

My wife and I play together a fair bit, sort of a family thang, us both being avid GW nuts, and we decided to run shards together, her as the perma, myself as the 600. Teamwork even.

Took our time y'know, as you do, and killed everything, and after an exhaustive battle, reached Fendi and Co. The battle was glorious, and much fun was being had. *Bam!!* Down goes Fendi. Sooo, over to the big gold box of tricks we go, to claim our prize. We sure weren't disappointed.

She got 2 onyx.
I got 2 diamonds.

In hard mode.

It's just a good thing that we enjoy playing together, and enjoy running dungeons together, for fun, rep and precious gemstones of little worth, not for paying customers or for the chance of rewards or anything preposterous like that..

Martin Alvito · Dec 09, 2009, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by upier

If you purchase runs to avoid having to do content you do not want to do, why would you then run it?

You run efficient run A yourself. You buy inefficient run B from somebody else. Eg: You won't find me completing CoF myself when I can dual client and do something more productive in the meantime.

Trader of Secrets · Dec 09, 2009, 04:22 AM // 04:22

I wouldnt prefer to pay for a run, but for stuff like HM dungeons where you would need to get people together and takes more time than just a run, a run would be worth it. I see it like this: I farm the money, the amount of time to farm the money is basically my dungeon time. I would just sit back and do my hw or something while i wait on the run

YunSooJin · Dec 09, 2009, 04:27 AM // 04:27

I refuse to believe the OP is asking this question seriously. Must be trollin'.

upier · Dec 09, 2009, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

You run efficient run A yourself. You buy inefficient run B from somebody else. Eg: You won't find me completing CoF myself when I can dual client and do something more productive in the meantime.

I can see your point, but the spectrum of options why somebody would choose to not do an area is much bigger than just the area not being profitable.

**cosyfiep** · Dec 09, 2009, 08:49 AM // 08:49

up until eton I never had a run....but grinding for points is....well almost pointless...so paying for a run (and no I am not rich--I have to play the game to get enough plat even for a 4k run!) is a better use of my time ....and my guild is right now basically me......
The runs I have had done were all HM, and usually dungeons that if I were to FIND a pug would laugh at my character wanting a spot.....there is just so many hours you can sit spamming 'lfg' .....would rather pay someone and get it over with at that point.