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huitzilopoctli · Jan 25, 2010, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Sabway isn't the best for vanquishing. It's decent and easy, but far from the fastest.

Ok so two have let me know Sabway isn't that great ... is there a team setup that is? Or is that privileged information?

I mean, my heroes are fine, I'd like to think, it's just the henchies such sooooo much ... or maybe I'm just taking the wrong combination ...

Anyway it'd be helpful if people shared some of the builds that are better than sabway, if at all possible ...

Coney · Jan 25, 2010, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

I would like to see an Assassin pump out 150+ dmg every second consistantly non-stop with virtually zero cool down. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Once more. I would like to see an Assassin dish 160+ dmg per second with virtually zero cool-down

Keep it private, self-stroker - and pray those 3 never tell anyone else (LOLz!).

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10341696

Old hat, very old (>1 year) - diverging from thread title tho, so I'll kinda get back on track here.

I can see keeping a build private, maybe, if it's some sort of run they currently have a monopoly on, that can pull 4-7 players along in 30 min-1hr, who each pay 8-15k. FWIW, simply pay for the run once, log their skills, and there you have it...

Or, if it's some PvP build that the top team is using to PWN the ladder. But same thing applies, keep a skill log and it becomes less and less secret.

Other than that, they're just self-absorbed, and most likely, unwilling to face criticism.

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Anywho, I'm off this thread now. I forgot here on Guru a large portion of the people here lack the maturity to have a real debate or to stay on-topic. Having said that, It's pointless to argue with people over something so mute. :\

LOL! Sux to be proven wrong over and over, doesn't it? Oh, do you want to provide a SS showing at least 30 seconds damage?!... Thought not, apparently 5 seconds is enough for you.

Xenomortis · Jan 25, 2010, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by huitzilopoctli

Ok so two have let me know Sabway isn't that great ... is there a team setup that is? Or is that privileged information?

I mean, my heroes are fine, I'd like to think, it's just the henchies such sooooo much ... or maybe I'm just taking the wrong combination ...

Anyway it'd be helpful if people shared some of the builds that are better than sabway, if at all possible ...

This isn't the thread to discuss your HM team setups.
There are lots of threads discussing the issue in Campfire. As I said, your setup depends on your profession.
Look either in the relevant section of Campfire for your profession or in the Heroes and AI section.

Reverend Dr · Jan 25, 2010, 04:28 AM // 04:28

The point of a private build is to keep it a secret. Posting that "I have a super secret build that can do X" defeats that purpose.

Really the only point of secret builds are for farming or PvP gimmicks. The point of a PvP gimmick is to surprise your opponent and win by catching them off guard or without a plan to counter it already set, so it makes since to broadcast its composition as little as possible; though with lack of any updates gimmicks largely have all been discovered. The point of farming builds is to be able to farm zones others cannot or farm faster than others, these are more likely to exist as most types of farm builds are one or two man, if it is a well organized enough guild, even full team builds can be secretive.

But again to reiterate, the "I have this awesome build that can do stuff you can't and I'm not telling." defeats the point of having a secret build and is just e-peen waving.

Anarion Silverhand · Jan 25, 2010, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Anywho, I'm off this thread now. I forgot here on Guru a large portion of the people here lack the maturity to have a real debate or to stay on-topic. Having said that, It's pointless to argue with people over something so mute. :\

Oh wow, that's awfully convenient of you to quit the thread, considering you contradict yourself in your posts and don't support your claims with valid arguments.

I guess this way, you're still right (in that little special world of yours).

Aldric · Jan 25, 2010, 02:25 PM // 14:25

People who do not share their builds tend to suck. When you party you should at least let the rest of the team know what to expect from you so that the whole team can work a little bit better together.

I've seen the odd build where i think "wtf does that do?" and then it really does well so i do tend to be very open with people (i mean its pve after all) and would never kick someone who pings a build i think is a little bit below par but i would kick someone who wont ping at all.

As for a 5 sec burst of 106DPS on a warrior? Kinda shitty for the main damage dealer imo, i can do that level of dps on my ranger for 180 secs abusing secondaries. Kinda irrelevant against a static lvl60 dummy though

qvtkc · Jan 25, 2010, 03:02 PM // 15:02

People who keep their builds secret... (one or more of these apply)

...have a very bad or random build and don't want to show it for risk of ridicule/getting kicked
...have a PvX build but wants to look original (I have played with people who are this stupid, they do exist)
...have a somewhat efficient, but nowhere near optimal, build that they came up with themselves and they think is hot shit (see JonnieBoi05 in this thread, lol 106 DPS)
...actually does (0.001% chance) have a unique, revolutionary build but are such gargantuan faggots that they don't want to let anyone else in on the action
...fails to realize that everyone can see what skills are being used anyway as soon as you all start playing

Also wtf is up with people who pastes their builds into the chat bar instead of actually pinging it? No one falls for that crap.

Freyt · Jan 26, 2010, 12:45 AM // 00:45

It doesn't really make sense. There's no point in getting a title or whatever before anything else. The only competition that's worth it is PvP, and you can't just not use any skills in PvP, they're going to find out your build eventually, especially if you're out slaying everyone.

Besides that, if I have a build I think is good, I try to get others to use it if theirs sucks, that way there's less noobs in the world, and it's easier to complete a certain task.

MasterSasori · Jan 26, 2010, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by huitzilopoctli

Ok so two have let me know Sabway isn't that great ... is there a team setup that is? Or is that privileged information?

I mean, my heroes are fine, I'd like to think, it's just the henchies such sooooo much ... or maybe I'm just taking the wrong combination ...

Anyway it'd be helpful if people shared some of the builds that are better than sabway, if at all possible ...

GW Guru have this lil rule against asking/posting builds that I'm not too familiar with.

Basically PvX has some decent ones. Two common ones is Jesusbeam, which is the use of Smiter monks and RoJ and support and the other is Discordway, which employs tripe nec like sabway, but uses Discord for quick kill and spam.

If you don't mind microing, N/A Assassin's Promise + Mark of Pain + physical attack from you and your last hero on the MoP wipes out teams incredibly fast.

Also when you state "better," we should also know what class you're talking about.

_Nihilist_ · Jan 27, 2010, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Super-secret builds: builds that haven't been posted about or mentioned...

Anything else is just epeen, waving proudly like a flag.

huitzilopoctli · Jan 28, 2010, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

GW Guru have this lil rule against asking/posting builds that I'm not too familiar with.

Basically PvX has some decent ones. Two common ones is Jesusbeam, which is the use of Smiter monks and RoJ and support and the other is Discordway, which employs tripe nec like sabway, but uses Discord for quick kill and spam.

If you don't mind microing, N/A Assassin's Promise + Mark of Pain + physical attack from you and your last hero on the MoP wipes out teams incredibly fast.

Also when you state "better," we should also know what class you're talking about.

I'll have to try the "Jesusbeam" one, but I've of course tried discordway, but I actually like it a lot less than Sabway.

Anyway earlier in the thread (though not in reply to you specifically - I apologize for that) I stated I was a monk primary.

Still, thanks for the suggestions, I'll certainly consider them although at this point I'm thinking I'll probably be coming up with a setup on my own, since it seems like a lot of areas require slightly different setups.

Anyway I wasn't aware of the rule regarding asking for builds so I certainly won't be doing that in the future. Thanks again though for responding to me with what you did here.

MasterSasori · Jan 28, 2010, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by huitzilopoctli

I'll have to try the "Jesusbeam" one, but I've of course tried discordway, but I actually like it a lot less than Sabway.

Anyway earlier in the thread (though not in reply to you specifically - I apologize for that) I stated I was a monk primary.

Still, thanks for the suggestions, I'll certainly consider them although at this point I'm thinking I'll probably be coming up with a setup on my own, since it seems like a lot of areas require slightly different setups.

Anyway I wasn't aware of the rule regarding asking for builds so I certainly won't be doing that in the future. Thanks again though for responding to me with what you did here.

Discordway with Monk primary is pretty bad because discordway is most effective and was made for caster class that utilizes hexes or conditions. However in the discord set up, the heroes are generally effective enough to work on their own albeit slower.

HigherMinion · Jan 29, 2010, 01:02 PM // 13:02

Usually, if you are using a generic build or heroes; and thus not adapting them to the area with your team- You will most definitely not perform as well.

qvtkc · Feb 03, 2010, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

Usually, if you are using a generic build or heroes; and thus not adapting them to the area with your team- You will most definitely not perform as well.

That used to be true, but by now most good generic builds (100 Blades warrior, HB monk, SoS rit etc.) are general-purpose enough to get by almost anywhere.

MasterSasori · Feb 03, 2010, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

That used to be true, but by now most good generic builds (100 Blades warrior, HB monk, SoS rit etc.) are general-purpose enough to get by almost anywhere.

Even then there still is some degree of customization in certain areas. I think the largest variation is how much defense is needed and how fast can we go using this set up.

Certain builds such as Imbagon have builds set ups basically in stone, but others like ER infuser, SoS rits, and others can still undergo relatively drastic customization though the idea is the same.

RadaArashi · Feb 07, 2010, 02:21 AM // 02:21

My stance on builds is that I love to share them with people, those who get overprotective of their "secret/hax" build are just morons in my eyes.

For silly things like Master of Damage contests I think its ok that you'd hide your build though

HawkofStorms · Feb 07, 2010, 02:32 AM // 02:32

I can sorta understand this. A lot of times, if you post a build or post a screenshot that has your build in it, even if it is a fantastic build, you will get a lot of crap, immature comments about it.
Some guy once criticized me for 20 mins having aura of restoration (because, you know, a cover enchant is for losers). To avoid dealing with those people, I can understand the logic of blacking out a build on screenshots when you are using the screenshot to show off something else that doesn't have anything to do with the build.