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Quantum Assassin · Jan 09, 2010, 02:12 AM // 02:12

In Discordway on PvXWiki, the leader of the Discordway heroes is an assassin, is this really required?

Cuilan · Jan 09, 2010, 02:15 AM // 02:15

No not required, it's just people on PvX have a very bad sense of humor in giving people poor builds.

Lusciious · Jan 09, 2010, 03:10 AM // 03:10

it helps to have an AP caller . and it's not an assassin leader . you just have to have assassin as your secondary profession .

FengShuiDove · Jan 09, 2010, 03:22 AM // 03:22

A physical with Asuran Scan and a quick condition inflict skill (Wounding Strike, Sever Artery, Jagged Strike) can do the job just as well. Even better, in some cases, because they can pump out DPS when the AP caller is down for whatever reason.

The caller is nice, but no, it doesn't have to be an Assassin. It doesn't even have to be that build. Anything with a quick hex + condition will work just fine. Most of the time, the heroes can handle it themselves anyway.

Life Bringing · Jan 09, 2010, 04:26 AM // 04:26

The build on pvx is meant to be played with something that can apply a condition and hex on it's own as often as possible. You can tweak your discord so you can run w/e you want.

Jugalo Dano · Jan 09, 2010, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Every time I use discord I just bring pain inverter or some other asuran hex, as long as you can add a condition you will be just fine. The basic design of the build includes aoe hexes and conditions anyways, all the intial targeting hex does is gives a jump start as you aggro.

Gennadios · Jan 09, 2010, 05:54 AM // 05:54

People seem to think that Assasins Promise is a very good elite to bring no matter what profession your character belongs to because it recharges your skills. However:

If you really depend on Assassin's Promise for the skill recharge and energy, your build and it's energy management suck, since any halfway decent build wouldn't have long cooldown or energy issues.

FoxBat · Jan 09, 2010, 06:51 AM // 06:51

How does an AP build have cooldown or energy issues?

Dusk_ · Jan 09, 2010, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

How does an AP build have cooldown or energy issues?

He's calling AP a crutch for people with bad energy management or those who use too many high-recharge skills.

Dorny · Jan 09, 2010, 09:54 AM // 09:54

I quite like using a spirit spammer with painful bond, as its an area hex, so most targets can be discord-ed ^^ And little spirits providing a decent amount of damage :x

HigherMinion · Jan 09, 2010, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

People seem to think that Assasins Promise is a very good elite to bring no matter what profession your character belongs to because it recharges your skills. However:

If you really depend on Assassin's Promise for the skill recharge and energy, your build and it's energy management suck, since any halfway decent build wouldn't have long cooldown or energy issues.

Not really. People who "depend" on Assassin's Promise are the ones exploiting long recharging, high-DPS skills. The extra energy is a plus.

Stop being silly.

Lusciious · Jan 09, 2010, 11:15 AM // 11:15

check AP Boon Prot . 1 man chain aegis is sexy . how is AP bad ?

Sagra · Jan 09, 2010, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Rather than AP, on my nec I use Corrupt Enchantment and Parasitic Bond for hex spamming, YMLAD for condition, as well as throwing in the Naga Shaman Asura summon. He has stoning

When I play on my warrior, I use a hammer, which is beautiful with knockdown. It puts a little more steam into the steamroller builds.

Like the others were saying, the guidelines are general, but the main thing is to do enough to trigger the damage of Discord. Play around with builds and do something that suits your character and your playing style. Then when you share your build with others, they go "Huh?" Then maybe say something like, "Oh. Neat."

And, to support the concerns about dependency on AP, if you don't target properly or something goes screwy (like not taking out healers, etc.) you can be left facing the full cooldown of the skill. Better to take something with a normal cooldown and roll with it.

Andemius · Jan 09, 2010, 12:00 PM // 12:00

heck, i run discordway with a w/n as the "caller". the most useful thing to do is apply hexes/conditions, you don't need to be assasin to do that.

syphonus · Jan 09, 2010, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gennadios

People seem to think that Assasins Promise is a very good elite to bring no matter what profession your character belongs to because it recharges your skills. However:

If you really depend on Assassin's Promise for the skill recharge and energy, your build and it's energy management suck, since any halfway decent build wouldn't have long cooldown or energy issues.

This isn't correct. AP is an energy management skill like any other, and as HigherMinion said, the real purpose is to exploit long recharge skills. AP often requires careful precision, since many builds do depend on it, but this does not make it a bad elite. It's a very simple matter of timing.

OP- Caster professions tend to work better at Discordway than melee simply because you can drop an enemy in ~2 seconds, then immediately switch to a second enemy without moving to the target. Necromancers work best of all-- Soul Reaping allows you to spam PvE skills endlessly without any energy troubles.

Puddin Cheeks · Jan 09, 2010, 07:42 PM // 19:42

technobabble is mega win in discordway, i have fallen in love with it. just bring a mesmer henchie depending on location and they will have enough hexes to cover yours as well.

dr_ishmael · Jan 10, 2010, 12:04 AM // 00:04

I like Mark of Rodgort on my fire elementalist. It's a long-lasting AoE hex, AND all I have to do is wand the enemy to apply a condition (so even if I'm low on energy, I'm not useless). I also carry Technobabble to delay hex/condition removal and soften up any overpowered monks.

maxxfury · Jan 10, 2010, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

If you really depend on Assassin's Promise for the skill recharge and energy, your build and it's energy management suck, since any halfway decent build wouldn't have long cooldown or energy issues.

Ever met a mesmer?

Long recharges and high cost is kind of their trademark these days if you want to be effective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lusciious

check AP Boon Prot . 1 man chain aegis is sexy . how is AP bad ?

Its less of the Aegis chain, more the perma cheap prot spirit and on demand seeds of life and shields

Ap is good, whats bad is the people who complain they cant use it right when they cant work around the fragility of it, hence is sucks :P

~jayson

AtomicMew · Jan 11, 2010, 10:11 PM // 22:11

If you're going to play a physical rather than an AP caller, there are better options that actually synergize with physicals.

Just subbing out a discord for Ootv will get you better returns immediately, for example.

Karate Jesus · Jan 11, 2010, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

No not required, it's just people on PvX have a very bad sense of humor in giving people poor builds.

......

Or AP calling could just be the most common build that's run with Discordway. At PvX, we store the most "meta" or commonly run builds.

Think of PvX more as a tool than a crutch or a burden. Obviously, GW is a game and should be fun and creative, so feel free to do that.

And, I'm sorry that you think we delight in giving people "poor" builds. We were actually just recording the AP caller that was posted here on GWGuru, and was considered the most meta