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fatelord · Jan 14, 2009, 10:58 AM // 10:58

my understanding is warrior is better for PVE while assassin is better for PVP ..

I have a LV 20 warrior in factions ..and i deal crap for damage ..was wondering if i should go with an assassin instead ..

Eragon Zarroc · Jan 14, 2009, 11:04 AM // 11:04

pvp is a matter of the type of pvp being played. they haven't quite replaced wars with sins in GvG. pve wise, sins are the overall farm class (even with the buff, nerf, nerf of SF). as a warrior though, i feel that warriors are a more solid class for vanqs, missions, etc. use a dragon slash/save yourself build the has great dmg output (60 dmg d-slashes and 70 dmg headbutts every few secs) while at the same time keeping 100 armor on nearby party 80% of the time.

Cebe · Jan 14, 2009, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by fatelord

I have a LV 20 warrior in factions ..and i deal crap for damage ..was wondering if i should go with an assassin instead ..

You're not using your Warrior to it's full potential then. If I were you I'd check the stickied guide in the Warrior forum, pick up a specimen build from that you like the look of, and try it out for a while.

We should also point out that you can have more than one character. Keep your Warrior and make an Assassin. Play them both, then if you need to delete one you can make an informed decision.

warrior running · Jan 14, 2009, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Try new war builds cause my warrior does 90+Damage

fatelord · Jan 14, 2009, 02:58 PM // 14:58

my build is basically this

for great justice
quivering blade
sever artery
gash
final thrust
endure pain
purge conditions
resurrection chant

Covah · Jan 14, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by fatelord

my build is basically this

for great justice
quivering blade
sever artery
gash
final thrust
endure pain
purge conditions
resurrection chant

take out endure pain, you have monks.
take out purge conditions, you have monks.
take out the 6 second res for res sig.
Axe does more DPS then sword earlier on. Get a warrior tome and get Dslash or switch to axe. Sword is more degen pressure.

fatelord · Jan 14, 2009, 04:27 PM // 16:27

If i take out endure pain i will be dying every three seconds the enemies at the kaining center do obscene damage ...

Axes might be a better idea untill i get dragon slash i guess ..

Cebe · Jan 14, 2009, 04:34 PM // 16:34

How do you think other Warriors manage to not rely on Endure Pain?

Check your armour first. Are you using Superior Runes? If Yes...remove them and use Minor Runes instead, since Superiors cause you to lose massive chunks of health for a tiny attribute gain. Also...is your armour the max 80AL and are you using suitable insignia?

Check your weapons second. Do they have +30HP modifiers? Is your shield a max AL16 shield? Do you meet the shield's requirement? Does the shield have a +30HP modifier?

With all these things you could easily have your armour level over 96, and your Health well over 600. This is more than adequate and your monks should be able to keep you alive quite easily. If not, it's time to check your monk's builds (assuming you're using Hero monks).

On the subject of Axes; you can get [[Triple Chop] very early on in Cantha, which is a very decent elite until you can get access to others later on in the game.

The Red Messenger · Jan 14, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

warrior is better for beginners i think. but sin is much more powerful with the right build.

crit scythe > pve
shadowform > many other farm builds

they both are very viable in pvp even though gvg doesnt have as much love for sins as they do warriors

so, until they sell enough copies of factions again and nerf shadowform again, i would say go sin.

snaek · Jan 14, 2009, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by fatelord

my understanding is warrior is better for PVE while assassin is better for PVP ..

other way around

fatelord · Jan 14, 2009, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Well if everyone in this site shouts at u if u even utter the word tank ..that kinda makes the warrior a moot doesn't it ?

This game's Aggro system doesn't support a tank like FFXI for example so the real goa lis to kill things asap ...thus making an assassin a win by default ..

kostolomac · Jan 14, 2009, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Chose whose armor you like better , you can do pve fine as a warrior or sin.

moriz · Jan 14, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by fatelord

Well if everyone in this site shouts at u if u even utter the word tank ..that kinda makes the warrior a moot doesn't it ?

This game's Aggro system doesn't support a tank like FFXI for example so the real goa lis to kill things asap ...thus making an assassin a win by default ..

well, you are coming from the perspective that a warrior is nothing but a tank, which is wrong.

GW warriors are not tanks, but shock troopers. high natural armor, high consistent damage. they should do more than enough damage to be worthwhile in pve, even though assassins can potentially deal more.

bungusmaximus · Jan 15, 2009, 08:42 AM // 08:42

Playing warrior will make you a better player in PvP, in PvE it doesn't matter much, just be sure to give your warrior an aggressive offensive build.

Few tips are:
-3 or 4 attack skills
-No healing prayers
-No defy/endure pain (Warriors LIKE pain ffs)
-IAS (flail, frenzy, though flail is nicer in PvE for obvious reason)
-No riposte, if you want defense, take "Watch Yourself!" or something like that because there's 7 other people that get + armor as well
-KILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILL!!!!!!

Heheh, 'Shock Trooper', I kinda like that description, every warrior should remember that and act like it.

Golganneth · Jan 16, 2009, 11:47 AM // 11:47

You'll probably enjoy both of their playstyles, be it they are different in some ways. Warrior has a good 66 AL over Assassins. Even if Assassin's use Critical Agility you will still naturally have 41 AL over. Warriors are also incredible for a great combination of Utility/Damage whilst being able to hold a good amount of aggro.

If you choose an assassin, you'll most likely be killing things much faster but sacrificing some AL and utility, but can be very fast at getting things done quickly.

It all depends on what playstyle you'd rather - Go up and quickly kill things with a little less defence, or have a good balance between efficient killing and a good AL. Both will show gratifying results IMO.

faraaz · Jan 17, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Considering the fact that Warriors are useless for anything other than PvE Missions and killing random mobs in "balanced-way" with physicals supports, I'd say go with Assassin.

Picuso · Jan 17, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by faraaz

Considering the fact that Warriors are useless for anything other than PvE Missions and killing random mobs in "balanced-way" with physicals supports, I'd say go with Assassin.

lolwut?

12chars

moriz · Jan 17, 2009, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by faraaz

I consider the fact that I can't play them well enough, so for me Warriors are useless for anything other than PvE Missions and killing random mobs in "balanced-way" with physicals supports. Therefore, I'd say I'm stuck with Assassin.

fixed for you.

faraaz · Jan 18, 2009, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Orly? Name one thing Warriors can do atm in PvE that hasn't been nerfed to oblivion, or is considerably slower than the optimal (team) build for it at the time.

Picuso · Jan 18, 2009, 09:47 AM // 09:47

So [Shadow Form] is srs bsness