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Age · Aug 13, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Like the title says an alternative for Aegis in PvE.The only ones I can truly think of are heal party,light of deliverance.

The only other thing is for active protecton Monks to go back to bonding.There are some who say Aegis is not needed in PvE but it is as the map are bigger and some places are darker than any pvp area.I know bonding happens in the UW,FoW and SF.You could also do or used to use an active protect Monk as I have done it down there.When it comes to bonding you have to watch your bonds more so than the map and maintain your energy.This is when a player or two are out of range of your aggro which Aegis can no longer cover.

What would you use instead of Aegis or should a full heal Monk be with you with heal party?

ender6 · Aug 15, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

I found your post to be quite confusing.

An alternative to Aegis for what in particular? In General (for PvE)? Or for FoW/UW/SF? All of which are seperate upon themselves.

I also found your reference to healing spells and healing monk as a replacement for Aegis to be very bizzare.

At any rate, when it comes to FoW/UW/SF I don't bring Aegis, as a prot monk. I don't find it necessary in those places. Usually most team builds either revolve around tank/nuker combo or BP/MM combo, in either case the need for Aegis is quickly diminished. For PvE in general I finid it to be a nice skill, but not a necessary skill. It needs no alternatives. Eiither you bring it or you don't.

My prot monks skill bar looks like this in genral (for PvE):

LoD, Mend Condition, Dwanya's Kiss, RoF, GoLE, Seed of life (Replaced Aegis), Prot Spirit, Holy Veil

So I suppose you could argue SoL is my alternative because I replaced Aegis with it, but I don't think that is a very accurate description.

pingu666 · Aug 15, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

ward against melee, but sameish range as aegis now has

theres rit spirits too...

Keekles · Aug 16, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

I still use Aegis in PvE, yes it's only ear-shot range, but most of the time, the fighting is going on within ear-shot of me anyway. So there isn't too much of an issue with that. If there's less than 6 people in the party, I swap it out for guardian, and sometimes I just keep it swapped out for guardian. Just need to be more active in looking at what's going on when I'm using guardian/shield of deflection.

Melody Cross · Aug 16, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

Press "W" during combat. Pre-Nerf, Paragons were capable of some astounding group prot and group healing, nearly rivaling Rits for utility and surpassing them in some ways. All their group buffs were earshot, and all of them were powerful.

Aegis is earshot. It requires adjustment of your playstyle to use effectively, not replacement. With the drop in cost from 10 to 15, I consider this latest skillchange an overall buff to Aegis, not a nerf.

GGs

MisterB · Aug 16, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

I don't see the problem; Aegis is effectively buffed for PvE. It's decreased in cost
from 15 to 10, but range is reduced from radar to earshot. I play Paragon in PvE, and I have no problem buffing the entire party with earshot range. Granted, Paragon is a mid-line character, and Monk is generally backline, but a small adjustment in playstyle(W,A,S,D comes to mind)should offset that minor restriction. There are few cases where your party needs to stray from earshot range of the monk for long. Tanking, I guess, but tanking sucks everywhere.

Aegis will still protect your backline with range reduction to earshot; your backline benefits the most from it, after all. If your frontline characters need it, you have problems with your group.

Cebe · Aug 16, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Like the title says an alternative for Aegis in PvE.The only ones I can truly think of are heal party,light of deliverance.

...or you could just use Aegis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

What would you use instead of Aegis or should a full heal Monk be with you with heal party?

...I've always taken one healing monk, and one protection monk. The protection monk (usually Tahlkora) casts Aegis at sensible times and it's not like in PvE anyone (other than the token wammo) is our of earshot.

Why are you looking for a replacement for it? They've reduced the energy (and the area of "effect") a little but for PvE that doesn't matter too much) so....I really don't know if you're saying it's a bad skill...because wanting to find a replacement for it in the healing prayers line seems a little strange.

Div · Aug 18, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

With the buff to PvE aegis, why not use it?

Age · Aug 19, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

I guess I worded it wrong with the changes to Aegis.How are you using it in pve if you use it at all?Yes even on a Mo/W I use it.