Originally Posted by deadkid

im reading your posts around the forum especially necromancer related ones and i see you are not a noob at the game so talking about how life transfer is bad skill is just flaming around because good players can put every skill into good use wich i do and i have been using life transfer for a long time and i dont say it can be used every where and that its the best elite skill that someone can take but telling its a alwful skill means you have never played against me coz life transfer is great regeneration (self heal) same time it puts great pressure on foes and can be combined with dmg spells it doesnt have to be echoed even coz used correctly it can bring you kill every 30 sec wich is not bad in 2 mins arena this makes 4 ills and enemy team has only 4 players wanted to write the exat use of the skill so you can see what im talking about but i dont have time now coz im at work maybe later i will show you how to use it it verry diffcult to hit it in exat time because you have to consider it cant be used for 30 secs but experienced players have instincts about timeing in arenas and its not much of a problem spreading destrucion with it

Originally Posted by deadkid

good players can put every skill into good use wich i do and i have been using life transfer for a long time

Originally Posted by deadkid

and start hitting with the staff and you will see how the 10 dmg from staff (20 on 60al) makes the difference

Originally Posted by hellyea526

Wow, I feel like puking after reading that post lol. Please learn to spell and use punctuation marks.

The monks that you killed and "called you a cheater" were probably...what, smite monks? 55 monks? The recharge time on LT doesn't really allow it to pressure the opponent at all. One hex removal on LT gets rid of your regen and makes your elite useless for 30 seconds. SV and RM have a much shorter recharge time, making it more spammable and puts more pressure on the monks. SV has the potential to do amazing amounts of damage, especially on melee and monks. RM is amazing in heavy hex builds. LT is amazing at wasting an elite slot, neither putting pressure or dealing enough damage to kill(against decent teams, not like the 55 monks you've obviously been encountering).


Your modesty about how good you are because you've used LT for a long time makes me laugh.


Your dependence on wanding in order to kill someone also makes me laugh.

Please, give up LT and become the "good player" that you proclaim yourself to be.

Originally Posted by deadkid

1st i said that i know that there are better elite skills we all know so your stupid attempt to atack me at this is pointless
2nd i said that to use it you need to interupt the hex removal if you want to do something and atacking me here is even more stupid and lame
and 3rd the point of what we are talking about is that how you can put LT to good use not what substitude to use and i know i dont write perfect english i write as much as i know english is not my native language and in matter of fact i writed my posts to help ppl because this is what the forum is all about and i never said im good player because of using LT im good because of trying to use every skill in some good way and make the game more fun not always using the sistems every body know coz they are on intertnet LIKE YOU DO so some 17 year old boys who never had sex LIKE YOU atacking me with stupid stuff and saying i said things wich i never really said because they didnt read or because they are looking to flame at someone because their life sux just pisses me off and if you dont have something to said about the skill different than "LT is crap" SHUT THE HELL UP this forum is to help each other not talking stupid flame

Originally Posted by deadkid

lots of *fap fap fap*

Originally Posted by Mitchel

Where to begin, where to begin...

Even if English isn't your first language (sure isn't mines), you can still try to capitalize.

You say personal attacks are lame, yet you think most people on guru NEVAH HAD SEZZX lawls!


Originally Posted by deadkid
good players can put every skill into good use wich i do and i have been using life transfer for a long time

And what do you write now? "i never said im good player"

You are right in the fact that this forum is to help each other, people helped the OP by saying Life Transfer is stinking shit in which they are right.
You said you helped him, but all you did is say a stupid skills is good. That isn't helping to me.

Oh and I'd really had to laugh about the sex comment and I think we both know who the virgin is between you and me

Oh to make this post a bit helpfull to the OP: Try Reapers Mark and signet of Lost Souls, this way you free up your secondary so you can take Glyp of lesser energy for e-management.

Originally Posted by Mitchel

Where to begin, where to begin...

Even if English isn't your first language (sure isn't mines), you can still try to capitalize.

You say personal attacks are lame, yet you think most people on guru NEVAH HAD SEZZX lawls!


Originally Posted by deadkid
good players can put every skill into good use wich i do and i have been using life transfer for a long time

And what do you write now? "i never said im good player"

You are right in the fact that this forum is to help each other, people helped the OP by saying Life Transfer is stinking shit in which they are right.
You said you helped him, but all you did is say a stupid skills is good. That isn't helping to me.

Oh and I'd really had to laugh about the sex comment and I think we both know who the virgin is between you and me

Oh to make this post a bit helpfull to the OP: Try Reapers Mark and signet of Lost Souls, this way you free up your secondary so you can take Glyp of lesser energy for e-management.

Originally Posted by Brigand

Alright, to get things back on track, before they degenerate any further....




Based on the comments I solicited in this thread, I have spent the better part of the last week of my play time with GW trying to make Spoil Victor work - after all, you guys extol its virtues, as do several other thread in these forums.



My experiences and thoughts on Spoil Victor so far:

I have tried several combination and permutations using this skill, and I have yet to make it work in even a 50-50 sort of way. I have tried combining it with attack debuffs like Price of Victory, or Reckless Haste. I have covered it with throwaway hexes like Parasitic Bond to hamper hex removal. I have altered my other skills to better complement it, including what (at the time) seemed to be a promising build based on a sort of 55 hp monk/necro, where I would almost always have less life than my opponent. I've tried letting them get me to low health, and then popping Mist Form or something similar. Continue these ideas ad nauseum.

Regardless of the build, Spoil Victor resulted in the same outcome 9 times out of 10 - the hexed person simply stopped attacking, and waited it out. The instant I had more health than my opponent, it also became ineffective.


Essentially, any 'good' player sees the hex pop up on their condition monitor, and simply stops what they are doing. This is undoubtably a good thing, as you are essentially disrupting the flow of their attacks. But, in the end, it doesn't kill them....


Second, as I said above, as soon as I have more health, even 1 hp, it stops working. However, it DOESN'T stop whatever conditions or hexs they've applied in that time.


Third is the cast times involved to make it work. Above, several people have said this is pretty effective against 'sins. Sure, it's great against sins attacking other people....but as a defensive measure, it sucks. To be effective, it needs support hex's like Reckless Haste or Price of Failure, and I need to be at low health. By the time I cast Spoil Victor, and a single other 1 or 2 second cast hex (or even self enchant), the sin has already unloaded a huge combo, removing half my health, and loading me up with conditions and hexes.


Lastly is the whole low health thing. Sure, I have made this work as a defensive measure, to be sure. But what happens immediately after?? The ele with some sense who is tabbing through targets looking for nice, soft, low health meat simply juices me once and finishes me off. I can't simply heal myself, or my attacker doesn't take damage from it anymore.




I should be clear that I do see the potential of this skill, especially in larger scale PvP, such as GvG or AB or the like. But in the small scale PvP arenas, where you can't rely on ANYONE to support you, I am finding the skill to be a liability - it requires too much of my skill bar in support skills to work properly, and, by it's self, doesn't kill anyone, ESPECIALLY if they are attacking me. It just puts us both at low health, and makes it a pittance for someone else to finish me off.


Like I said, I appreciate the advice. And I DO feel like there is a lot of potential with the correct support. But for the small scale PvP I am doing, Spoil Victor is just getting me killed. Most players simply know how to handle it. Long recharge or not, Life Transfer at least damages them independent of what they are doing, and heals me, also. The argument about hex removal being a killer for LT is just as valid for SV.

Any advice on how to make this work reliably without simply killing myself every time??

Originally Posted by hellyea526

Deadkid...how old are you? Grow up please. We're talking about Guild Wars, not my personal life and who are you to know anything about my life anyway? Based on our posts in this thread, it is pretty obvious who the more mature one is lol. Also, please stop being a hypocrite, your flaming me complaining about how I flamed you.

On another note, the information your giving in your attempt to help the OP isn't helping him/her. The OP was correct in using parasitic bond as a cover hex, life siphion is a much worse cover hex. I'm not going to even bother talking about the other strategies you were attempting to convey to the OP.

To the OP: On your first note, if you are able to shut down one opponent by using one skill(in this case SV) then you can use the rest of your skills to hamper the rest of the opponent team. SV is also very spammable, its duration compared to its recharge time allows you to keep SV up at all times on 2 opponents at the same time. Have you tried casting SV and covering it up with parasitic bond yet? Shutting down a monk can basically decide the outcome of the match. If your having trouble with healing yourself, blood renewal works well with SV in RA. Not only does it give you regen, but the health lost by using it will often put you under your opponent's health therefore activating SV's conditions. If you've been playing RA, understand that you won't be able to counter every build your matched up against and that a lot also depends on your team's builds and how well they mesh with yours.

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

OP, remember - if you cast SV on something, and they stop attacking, casting magicks/whatever, then... You win. The fact they ain't dead is inconsequential, the fact is, you've reduced them to doing bugger all with a single skill... You've still got a bar full of lovely Curses to kill everyone else.

Originally Posted by hellyea526

Deadkid...how old are you? Grow up please. We're talking about Guild Wars, not my personal life and who are you to know anything about my life anyway? Based on our posts in this thread, it is pretty obvious who the more mature one is lol. Also, please stop being a hypocrite, your flaming me complaining about how I flamed you.

On another note, the information your giving in your attempt to help the OP isn't helping him/her. The OP was correct in using parasitic bond as a cover hex, life siphion is a much worse cover hex. I'm not going to even bother talking about the other strategies you were attempting to convey to the OP.

To the OP: On your first note, if you are able to shut down one opponent by using one skill(in this case SV) then you can use the rest of your skills to hamper the rest of the opponent team. SV is also very spammable, its duration compared to its recharge time allows you to keep SV up at all times on 2 opponents at the same time. Have you tried casting SV and covering it up with parasitic bond yet? Shutting down a monk can basically decide the outcome of the match. If your having trouble with healing yourself, blood renewal works well with SV in RA. Not only does it give you regen, but the health lost by using it will often put you under your opponent's health therefore activating SV's conditions. If you've been playing RA, understand that you won't be able to counter every build your matched up against and that a lot also depends on your team's builds and how well they mesh with yours.