Curse

moriz · Aug 09, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

... so what's your point of posting here again?

you purposely bring in a subpar build, and somehow expect us to not point it out to you (whether politely or rudely, it doesn't matter). in fact, you seem to expect us to congratulate you for coming up with something that is decidely weak.

if that's actually your reason for posting, then i'd suggest you to give your head a shake. if your reason for posting is for starting flame wars, then i'd suggest you to never post again. doing so will only get you banned (which, to be honest, is quite a welcome alternative).

Mekkakat · Aug 09, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

why? because its a free world? a free forum? i can post whatever i want, and thats the end of the story kid. it's the bad ass attitudes of the "1337" nerds that think by making everyone feel little to their gaming skills that mean nothing in real life, that make people that just want to post something that was working for them, they like, or that they've done, want people like that banned. you say i start a "flamewar" because i posted a build that i've used to my own avail, that i posted simply to give out to others that weren't sure of what to use, wanted something new to use, or just curious to try out, and while you hand out your so called "constructive criticism", all you really do is attempt to belittle me with your cute accusations and hypocritical statements. maybe you all could stop posting your bash BS and try just enjoying the game you bunch of Nazis. does it hurt being all alone, the few of you "m4d 1337" players? the rest of us just like to play the game out of fun, i could care less if any of you think the build is ANY good in ANY way. i said for the last and final time, IT WORKS FOR ME. obviously it worked for my teams and parties as well, so put a sock in it and move on, or forever have that stick up your butt thinking you're the kings of GWs, cause guess what, no one cares... most gamers don't even like gws lol.. pathetic.

moriz · Aug 09, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

it's a free world and a free forum as long as you do not attack others. the fact that you don't get it means that you have very little experience dealing with constructive criticism and with other people without open hostilities.

as such, i would politely suggest you to stop posting. when you post a subpar build, most of us will attempt to help you, whether politely or not. this forum is for people to post builds and have others point out flaws with it. if you do not like it, then please stop posting. no one cares if you accuse us all of being "nerds", because truthfully, so are you.

Mekkakat · Aug 09, 2007, 12:57 AM // 00:57

lmao you give me a polite suggestion of "never posting again, or be banned, because either way you'd be happy"? so egotistical, and yet so naive. i'm a designer for a large magazine, and i deal with "constructive criticism" all the time. what you and your little kiddies try to pull is whats called bashing. also, where does it say, "post your builds here to be torn apart by all the megadorks of guru"? its says:

Share your strategies, experience and tips here for builds and groups for PvE.

wooooow, gj making crap up little guy. just stop posting, really, you're just making yourself, and all of your little friends look like the biggest bunch of jerks on here. congrats, you guys can play an MMO, until you all lighten up and stop trying to show off your "pro" status, no casual gamer will ever take you seriously lmao.

btw, for all the mods that are supposedly going to "ban" me over posting a build i used, and considered being a novel idea of putting it online for others to try to have fun with, just close the thread, because obviously some people are so immature to the point that they and their superior skills in a video game, outrank common decency and manors. maybe thats the problem with society nowadays...

otherwise, i've lost what little interest i had in this thread to begin with, so flame on if you want.. or can.. i'm really not in the mood to argue with anymore angst-ridden egotistical adolescents for the day hahahaha

Snow Bunny · Aug 09, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Mekkakat

why? because its a free world? a free forum? i can post whatever i want, and thats the end of the story kid. it's the bad ass attitudes of the "1337" nerds that think by making everyone feel little to their gaming skills that mean nothing in real life, that make people that just want to post something that was working for them, they like, or that they've done, want people like that banned. you say i start a "flamewar" because i posted a build that i've used to my own avail, that i posted simply to give out to others that weren't sure of what to use, wanted something new to use, or just curious to try out, and while you hand out your so called "constructive criticism", all you really do is attempt to belittle me with your cute accusations and hypocritical statements. maybe you all could stop posting your bash BS and try just enjoying the game you bunch of Nazis. does it hurt being all alone, the few of you "m4d 1337" players? the rest of us just like to play the game out of fun, i could care less if any of you think the build is ANY good in ANY way. i said for the last and final time, IT WORKS FOR ME. obviously it worked for my teams and parties as well, so put a sock in it and move on, or forever have that stick up your butt thinking you're the kings of GWs, cause guess what, no one cares... most gamers don't even like gws lol.. pathetic.

Hi.

Please stop.

Thank you.

If you post another build that is conceivably, subjectively subpar, we will yet again, offer constructive criticism. All in hopes this is constructive to you.

Bye.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 09, 2007, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Wow.

Bad builds and anger management issues.

Sounds fun.

ca_aok · Aug 09, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Please note that calling people nerds and then speaking in "1337speak" and abbreviations is rather counterproductive. And if you were actually some successful magazine designer, I have no doubt you'd have a certain tolerance level with criticism (which you clearly do not).

As I said before, it's an innovative idea. I wouldn't have thought of increasing the healing from SB using AoF. Just because it's innovative doesn't mean it's a good build however. Personally in RA I've been running a Healing Touch Ranger... certainly something you don't often see, but that doesn't make it a great build (though sadly I've gotten two glad points so far... shows you something about the calibre of the players).

Balthazar's Spirit is bad E-Management. It's good in a PvE tanking build such as a 55, but not good on a regular monk, mainly because as a monk you generally kite and try to avoid damage, not soak it up for energy.

When people say you have no defensive skills, they are referring to abilities from warrior/assassin secondaries and such that allow you negate a large amount of damage on yourself while you heal your teammates. Yes spirit bond is technically a defensive skill, but it's subject to stripping, and also damage below 60 (which is quite often the damage you'll be taking in this situation).

Your build lacks hard prot options other than RoF... all of your other skills are based around pure healing (except deny hexes and the optionals). Prot Spirit, SoA, Shielding Hands, or Guardian can be invaluable skills to have.

If you really want to have increased heals, you should make a healing monk with Healer's Boon as the elite. Otherwise this is a difficult build to maintain energy and mobility with.

And please lay off your rants at the other posters, calling people little kids impresses no one, especially when you're acting like a child yourself. If you wanted to prove yourself more mature, throwing a hissy fit because people are showing you the problems with your build doesn't improve this thread. And as for the purpose of this forum... while it may not be stated in the description, the bottom line is this is how threads generally work here... you post your build, we critique it.

karunpav · Aug 09, 2007, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Okay, read the whole thread, thought I'd give my comments before one of the mods sees it and closes it.

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Originally Posted by Mekkakat

really cute, obviously trying to boost the e-peen again with this blatant attack on me for no apparent reason. i'm not even going to acknowledge this by trying to explain where he fails at embarrassing me or whatever, but your little status on this forums, paired with your ever-expanding ego amuses me.
i could care less where your "background" comes from, learn some damn manors.

second, i apologize for going off topic saying "glad points" because i was merely stating that i tested the build in some easier HM missions, and in RA, in which both i faced enchant stripping, and still managed 10 wins/completion of the mission with no deaths. its not the BEST build, no one said that, and in fact, ALL i said was, "the build is working really well for me". you think idk that aura is pretty much crappy compared to ZB, Divert, and some of the other ace elites? geeze, just trying to be creativ... oh wait, this is build wars, my bad, i forgot you're only 1337 if you can copy someone else's build.

regardless, the build isn't great, never was, but its fun, different, and easy to learn for someone who hasn't monked much.

I don't really see where the blatant attack is. He offered a highly constructive post that would definitely help your build out. Then you say that you're not going to acknowledge it, but reply with a post about him boosting his e-peen? ADD, or do you just forget what you type the second you type it? Also, holy has a pretty impressive monking background which, as he said before, does make him credible to give constructive criticism. He maintained a great sense of decorum throughout the thread so far, and all you've done is snap at people, like an animal backed into a corner. Learn some damn manners? No, you.

THEN you say that this isn't the best build, but get all pissy when people agree with you? Um... wtf? And yes, this is Build Wars atm, which is why some people like to run builds that are actually good. That's why most monk builds are the same. Because they work well.

Also, people that are new to monking should probably try a more stable build to start off with, since this build isn't the greatest.

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lol you sound affuly defensive saying i called you a "scrub" because i simply said timing is everything in a game like Guild Wars. i specifically said that the build doesn't feature a powerhouse elite, its got decent damage migitation, and has even more when you put in things like SoA, SH, or even more healing power with GoH, by utilizing the option slots, so where i didn't "discuss the strengths and weaknesses of my build" lies, is again, failed on your part, seeing as i openly admitted the build was sub-par, and more or less a casual build that, and again, "worked for me".

lol and you call me defensive? you throw a hissy fit when your ego's on the line? what a crybaby.

Once again, attacking holy. I would get pretty defensive too if someone called me a scrub even after I tried to help them out. You never mentioned anything about putting SoA, SH, or GoH in the bar in earlier posts, so I'm guessing you're pulling this out of your ass trying to make it seem like you actually listened to theposters on the thread.

Yes, you are defensive. He didn't throw a hissy fit. He responded to your post. And calling someone a crybaby seems like a pretty desperate attempt at a witty rebuttal to me.

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why? because its a free world? a free forum? i can post whatever i want, and thats the end of the story kid. it's the bad ass attitudes of the "1337" nerds that think by making everyone feel little to their gaming skills that mean nothing in real life, that make people that just want to post something that was working for them, they like, or that they've done, want people like that banned. you say i start a "flamewar" because i posted a build that i've used to my own avail, that i posted simply to give out to others that weren't sure of what to use, wanted something new to use, or just curious to try out, and while you hand out your so called "constructive criticism", all you really do is attempt to belittle me with your cute accusations and hypocritical statements. maybe you all could stop posting your bash BS and try just enjoying the game you bunch of Nazis. does it hurt being all alone, the few of you "m4d 1337" players? the rest of us just like to play the game out of fun, i could care less if any of you think the build is ANY good in ANY way. i said for the last and final time, IT WORKS FOR ME. obviously it worked for my teams and parties as well, so put a sock in it and move on, or forever have that stick up your butt thinking you're the kings of GWs, cause guess what, no one cares... most gamers don't even like gws lol.. pathetic.

Oh boy, a long "you guys are teh suck" rant!

As moriz said, it IS a free forum as long as you don't digitally take a piss on people trying to help you out. Calling people on this forum nerds isn't exactly helping your position either (although, I don't think anything you've said so far has). Think about it: it's an MMO. Everyone who plays the game is a nerd, at least in some way. Hypocrisy much? And no, you didn't start the flame war en you posted the build. You started it when you started FLAMING. If people aren't sure what to use, you'd think they would watch observer mode and pick out a build. If not, they might look at the stickies like Monk Basics.

Everything everyone besides you has said so far is constructive. You choose to ignore it? Not our problem. Then you deliberately start bashing people saying the you already knew the build was pretty bad. If the build was bad, why post it? You're not helping anyone. People started bashing because you did. YOU started this, not everyone else. Then you have the audacity to say that all the "m4d 1337" players are all alone in the world. IMO, I think you should stfuplz. People can have lives and be good at this game at the same time. If you can't, there's no reason to assume others have the same problem as you do. For the last time, WE KNOW IT WORKS FOR YOU. But anything works in PvE/RA/where ever the hell else you "tested" this build in. I've beaten the NF campaign with Healsig and auto-attacking. Does that make the build good?

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lmao you give me a polite suggestion of "never posting again, or be banned, because either way you'd be happy"? so egotistical, and yet so naive. i'm a designer for a large magazine, and i deal with "constructive criticism" all the time. what you and your little kiddies try to pull is whats called bashing. also, where does it say, "post your builds here to be torn apart by all the megadorks of guru"? its says:

Share your strategies, experience and tips here for builds and groups for PvE.

wooooow, gj making crap up little guy. just stop posting, really, you're just making yourself, and all of your little friends look like the biggest bunch of jerks on here. congrats, you guys can play an MMO, until you all lighten up and stop trying to show off your "pro" status, no casual gamer will ever take you seriously lmao.

btw, for all the mods that are supposedly going to "ban" me over posting a build i used, and considered being a novel idea of putting it online for others to try to have fun with, just close the thread, because obviously some people are so immature to the point that they and their superior skills in a video game, outrank common decency and manors. maybe thats the problem with society nowadays...

otherwise, i've lost what little interest i had in this thread to begin with, so flame on if you want.. or can.. i'm really not in the mood to argue with anymore angst-ridden egotistical adolescents for the day hahahaha

If you're going to make posts like this, then you should never post again. Hell, I'm sure everyone would be happy if you either stopped making such bitchy posts or stopped posting at all.

Which "large magazine" are you a designer for, btw? Because based on the way you've handled all the criticim so far, I have no doubt that you're lying through your teeth, trying to give yourself some credibility. Calling people "kiddies" and "megadorks" isn't making you any friends either.

And yes, the bulletin says to share your experiences. Well, everyone else shared their experiences too. Theirs conflicted with yours, and you started to bitch about it. They're not showing off their pro status. They're saying your build is bad and how to fix it. I'm a casual gamer, and I take these guys seriously because they know what they're talking about.

The mods aren't going to ban you for posting a unique idea. They're going to ban you for being an ass. Plain and simple. You say that the immaturity of others' posts outrank your common decency and manors? Reread the thread, please.

I doubt you ever had such "little interest" in this thread, considering you've made quite a few posts in it already. And don't try to accuse others of being egotistical adolescents. We all know you are.

Get off your high horse plz kthxbai.

Zev · Aug 10, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind

Also, Arguing on the internet is a never ending cycle which degenerates and spins into a fantasic cesspool of malice and ego. No one is able to take the intiative to realise it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about your opnions on the internet, and it doesnt matter if people don't like your opinions. Being able to step out of an argument before hand, or at its conception and gracefully stopping (and not replying to further responses. goating or trolling) is what needs to be practiced more often.

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As much as I understand why certain build may be more efficent in some respects, I will enjoy the build as I test it and play it. While the PvPer in me wants to just power game with "teh best". the slacker in me just wants the few hours of games I do play to be fun and enjoyable. I will enjoy adding this to my stable of builds ( though I hope you dont mind if I mod it to my own preferences ;P), thank you.

-Cheers

Skuld · Aug 10, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

lol this thread is win

Tegato · Aug 11, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Skuld

lol this thread is win

I lol'd.

Anyways, if you post a build, expect some feedback, positive or negative. Everyone has different preferences, with different experiences.

Your build is purely genius. It's so original and almost wins every time if you play it right, regardless of the other better choices.

Thats what you wanted all of us to reply and say, right? O__o

Nkah Sennyt · Aug 11, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Y'all need to learn how to talk without opening the cans of hate.

ZenRgy · Aug 11, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

/facepalm

OP should really consider acting their age (if they are who they say they are) and at least appreciate the help people are posting. It's stupid to flame people for using good skills because they're in the common/meta/"wiki" builds. It's called efficiency.

I also can't help but notice you come in with basically "This build ownzzzz RA" then when people talk about counters to your build in RA and suggest changes you then say "BUT THIS IS PVE BUILD, NOT PVP"

You may want to reconsider the way you post, although it is hilarious to read.