Curse

RockYourWorld · Aug 24, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

What is a good PvP Minion MAster Build

Fluffy Butt · Sep 05, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

ummmm, You might have posted in the wrong place, but I can help.

PvP MM

Death=12 + 1 + 3
Soul Reaping=12 + 1
Blood=3 + 1

[card]Animate Flesh Golem[/card][card]Animate Vampiric Horror[/card][card]Animate Bone Fiend[/card][card]Blood of the Master[/card][card]Taste of Death[/card][card]Dark Bond[/card][card]Verata's Aura[/card][card]Infuse Condition[/card]

Edit:

Replace [card]Taste of Death[/card][card]Infuse Condition[/card]
with [card]Mystic Regeneration[/card][card]Veil of Thorns[/card] with 5+1 Blood and 9+1 Soul Reaping
If you want

neo the tyrant · Sep 12, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Ya just listen to fluffy butt, it works great =P

Moloch Vein · Sep 12, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Superior alternative for Alliance Battles is:

Dark Bond - Infuse Condition - Mystic Regeneration - Order of Undeath - Animate Bone Fiend - Animate Bone Horror - Blood of the Master - Verata's Aura

The main problem is being able to switch in an energy management skill without sacrificing the survivability. Signet of Lost Souls or Masochism. However it's been my observation that in AB things die so bloody often you hardly lack energy anyway.

zling · Sep 19, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

take fluffy's build and change [skill]animate flesh golem[/skill] with [skill]order of undeath[/skill]

blue.rellik · Sep 20, 2007, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Or [skill]Aura of the Lich[/skill]

bungusmaximus · Sep 20, 2007, 07:11 AM // 07:11

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Or [skill]Aura of the Lich[/skill]

This one sucks in PvP though, life steal goes right through it.

WildmouseX · Sep 20, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16

i love comeing across MM's in AB... i go curse of course, but i always carry [skill]Verata's Aura[/skill] with 5 in death, and just let the enemy make an army for me to steel and turn aginst them...... i killed one guy last week 5 times by turning his fleshies aginst him - he got really p.o.'d.

Moloch Vein · Sep 20, 2007, 10:23 AM // 10:23

That's why a proper AB MM always carries Verata's Aura. If you'd tried that against an OoU/VA MM, you'd run into the crowd, got spiked, just managed to snag a few minions and sacrifice 33% health, the remaining minions would've killed you, and the MM would've stolen them right back.

I order for the "steal" technique to work properly you must have enchantments that work with minions to prevent you from dying in the initial aggro, unless the MM in question is very weak.

Lourens · Sep 20, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

arcane echo veretas aura ftw

WildmouseX · Sep 20, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

That's why a proper AB MM always carries Verata's Aura. If you'd tried that against an OoU/VA MM, you'd run into the crowd, got spiked, just managed to snag a few minions and sacrifice 33% health, the remaining minions would've killed you, and the MM would've stolen them right back.

I order for the "steal" technique to work properly you must have enchantments that work with minions to prevent you from dying in the initial aggro, unless the MM in question is very weak.

normally i can just run up to the minnions while their attacking the shrine bots, so i usually don't take any damage.... i'd imagine that there are a few mm's in there that bring their own VA, but i haven't come across any yet.... i don't care as much about having the minnions, as i do about rejecting the mm from having them. a mm build without minnions is a mostly wasted skill bar.

my curse spike build drop's wars in three hits, so i'm fine with the mm taking the time to try to steel his minnions back, since i always switch to curseing him after i steel them, so i can drop him while he tries it and just make them masterless.

Carinae · Sep 21, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

VA is wretchedly imbalanced and needs a major reworking. No way a non Necro primary with 5 DM can steal ALL the minions from a 16 DM Necro primary. Not happening. And it's a .75s cast as well.

It should be a probabalistic spell based on the level of DM of the caster and the MM. 16 DM vs 16 DM would be a 50% chance of success per minion.. And a 5 DM vs 16 DM would be ~24% chance per minion.

Also it needs a 2s cast time or a way to prevent it's usage..ie: a DM elite that blocks VA for a time.

Dr Strangelove · Sep 21, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

VA is wretchedly imbalanced and needs a major reworking. No way a non Necro primary with 5 DM can steal ALL the minions from a 16 DM Necro primary. Not happening. And it's a .75s cast as well.

It should be a probabalistic spell based on the level of DM of the caster and the MM. 16 DM vs 16 DM would be a 50% chance of success per minion.. And a 5 DM vs 16 DM would be ~24% chance per minion.

Also it needs a 2s cast time or a way to prevent it's usage..ie: a DM elite that blocks VA for a time.

Of course, minion masters themselves are wretchedly imbalanced in AB, so it all works out.

Moloch Vein · Sep 21, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

As a matter of fact you have to be very lucky indeed to manage to steal all the minions with one use of Verata's Aura. I know that the spell description states "all the minions in the area" but this isn't true. It's more like adjacent or maybe nearby range.

When I do play AB I usually go as N/D MM because it's by far the most powerful and most wanted build for the setting. A MM more on the other team is often the deciding factor between victory or defeat. In AB I always bring Verata's Aura, and let me tell you, stealing the minions from an enemy MM isn't always exactly as easy as some people make it out to be. And, this is coming from the person that always follows these steps while stealing: Dark Bond -> Infuse Condition -> Mystic Regeneration -> Verata's Aura -> Mystic Regeneration (cover). Usually this snatches about half his minions if he's got a decent army - then, if he's one of the usual AB MMs who bring Flesh Golem and stuff, you hit OoU and have it wipe out the remaining.

I am always more wary when approaching an N/D than an N/Mo MM because the N/D ones are usually far better. Also, if you are yourself in control of a number of minions, I never try the trick unless someone else pulls it on me first. The enchantment will run out sooner or later and might cause you to lose control in a crucial situation.

Tyla · Oct 06, 2007, 01:20 PM // 13:20

you can go as heir to the master(enchantment based MM build)
then again,if the oposing player knows how to take them down he will just kill the minions then the MM(and i accidently SP'd out the golem once and got called a noob sin

)
but heir to the master is the way to go since half the time nobody tries to do that(hey look conditions dont ffect me and i take like 1 damage with +10 regen)

Emik · Oct 06, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

[skill]Shatter Storm[/skill], [skill]Lingering Curse[/skill], [skill]Gaze of Contempt[/skill] or [skill]Rend Enchantments[/skill] or anything similar can rip right through it.

Tyla · Oct 06, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Emik

[skill]Shatter Storm[/skill], [skill]Lingering Curse[/skill], [skill]Gaze of Contempt[/skill] or [skill]Rend Enchantments[/skill] or anything similar can rip right through it.

i like my SP sin in pvp,and nobody brings those skills anyway

Emik · Oct 06, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

If ti's an AB and I'm on my Para I ALWAYS bring Shatter Storm...
Just to take care of Invincimasters and Invinci-ele's

Moloch Vein · Oct 06, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I find Gaze of Contempt better for the purpose as that isn't an elite. Actually Rend Enchantments isn't that bad either.

Bobby2 · Oct 06, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

i like my SP sin in pvp,and nobody brings those skills anyway

Wha!?
[skill]Gaze of Contempt[/skill]
is like the main reason many of our Sins 2nd into Necro. It's hideously powerful - capable of removing a stacked defense from many popular classes (their popular Enchantments). MMs, Dervs, Eles, Monks, and many, many Sins should DREAD an encounter with a guy packing this skill.