Originally Posted by Zinger314

Here's a 100x better build, made by only changing two skills, but the same idea:

14 Leaderszhip (10 + 1 + 3)
12 Axe Mastery (12)
9 Command (8 + 1)

Focused Anger
Whirlwind Attack
They're on Fire!
There's Nothing to Fear!
Go for the Eyes!
Cyclone Axe
Aggressive Refrain
Save Yourselves!

Whirlwind Attack and Cyclone Axe will charge all of your other adrenaline skills if 3-4 targets are hit, while under Focused Anger. It's a LOT more spammable adrenaling gain than Spear of Fury, and does a LOT more damage.

(Leadership is pointless past 14, since TNTF will already last longer than its recharge, and ToF scales poorly. You might as well take the additional massive damage instead.)

For ToF, bring an SF hero or two. Who doesn't use SF Heroes nowadays?

Originally Posted by Racthoh

The strength of the build is always having the skill ready to use and you certainly don't need Cyclone Axe or Whirlwind Attack to make sure it's filled. Once the stuff you're attacking dies, you're no longer gaining that adrenaline until you're standing in front of something and attacking it. Given that a large majority of players do not have a high rank in their faction tier, it's resonable to say that Save Yourselves! will only last 3-4 seconds. That doesn't allow a lot of time for you to run to another enemy to get the shout back up, and that's under the circumstance that the last enemy you killed died *just* as you applied the shout. Also since you're going to be among the first ones into the fray, you'll be hit first by the snares, miss hexes, and blind sources. And let's not even talk about kiting enemies since your build doesn't have a speed buff to catch enemies in Hard Mode where this overkill of defense is needed.

Compared to the spear where before combat even begins I can use Burning Refrain followed by an auto-attack -> Spear of Fury once we enter combat on an incoming melee target. That'll fill up Save Yourselves! in about 3-4 seconds into the fight. At which point, you can hit on a stationary target away from the fray to ensure your shout has a constant uptime while the rest of the group is being blasted by AoEs. The ultimate support character should focus on keeping that support in effect, not trying to deal a little more damage.



They can monitor ingame activity as well, and to think that only a handful of people came to realization of combining a high adrenaline skill with a skill that increases adrenaline gain is a little silly.

Personally I go along the lines of:

Focussed Anger {E}
Spear of Fury
Save Yourselves!
There's Nothing To Fear!
They're On Fire!
For Great Justice!
Burning Refrain
Aggressive Refrain

Leadership: 12 + 1 + 1
Spear Mastery: 10 + 1
Command: 8 + 1

Every enemy that you need this much defense against is going to have more health than you, so Burning Refrain produces instant condition for Spear of Fury's conditional adrenaline gain. Save Yourselves! is going to return more than enough energy to fuel the rest of your skills. For Great Justice! is there for a constant cycle of faster adrenaline gain if for some reason mobs won't die, or you don't feel like waiting for Focussed Anger to recharge between fights. You don't need a res; if stuff is dying you can't afford to take time away from attacking or you'll lose that precious 100 AL that apparently wasn't enough to keep things alive.

Originally Posted by glountz

It works even at low kurzick/luxon rank. (Tested it with a friend only rank 1 Kurzick).
Vainquishing becomes a real joke with that.

Originally Posted by Racthoh

Personally I go along the lines of:

Focussed Anger {E}
Spear of Fury
Save Yourselves!
There's Nothing To Fear!
They're On Fire!
For Great Justice!
Burning Refrain
Aggressive Refrain

Leadership: 12 + 1 + 1
Spear Mastery: 10 + 1
Command: 8 + 1

Originally Posted by Arrows[PURE]

Yeah I've being running the exact same build except swap out anthem of the flame for whatever. Personally I hate anthem of the flame and see it as a waste of a slot in most builds I was praying that somebody stupid wouldn't post it on guru, because tbh it needs nerfing. And now, somebody posted it on here without thinking of the consequences....
Btw Id like to point out you cant use skills like Whirlwind axe in urgoz, at least I dont think anyway. To show the exact reason this build needs nerfing:

Urgoz, earth warden guy, stoning damage to 60AL =396
With all shouts up dmg to 60AL = around 30 maybe more maybe less, just going by the amount of damage that came off the party bar

My titles are
kurz rank 3 - allows 4 seconds of +100 armor making it just about spammable
SS rank 8

To finish I'd just like to say I hope I didn't really offend people alot, but I mean come on, Anet reads these forums, these forums are part of the reason things get nerfed

Originally Posted by Oblivious Moose

yet you have 8 into command..... i'm unsure if u did this in a hurry, or just wer'nt thinking, but i thought i would point this little mishap out.

Originally Posted by Taedronai

Difference is the Warrior's primary attribute blows balls =D.

Originally Posted by erfweiss

I'm glad you feel I'm stupid because I chose to use a certain skill. It depends on the situation you're in. If you're a paragon in a group wtih 7 other casters, yes, it's pointless. If you're with 4-5 martial weapon users (warriors, rangers, sin), then it actually does a fair bit of damage. It also synergizes well with SFs because it puts them on fire.

Just because I use a certain skill doesn't mean you have to. Namecalling isn't required. You can respectfully choose to disagree.

Originally Posted by Taedronai

I was thinking with the new PvE skills...the Paragon can really become a sort of "ultimate" support character in terms of damage reduction, with a build something like:

12+1+3 Leadership
10+1 Spear Mastery
8+1 Command

Focused Anger
Spear of Fury
They're on Fire!
There's Nothing to Fear!
Go for the Eyes!
Anthem of Flame
Aggressive Refrain
Save Yourselves!

That's a whole lot of damage reduction...37% less from They're on Fire!, 35% less from There's Nothing to Fear! at max SS (which is one of the easiest titles to max), and a further +100 armour from Save Yourselves! spam (which would be pretty spammable due to the big adrenaline gain from Focused Anger coupled with Spear of Fury).

Combine this build with a couple of SF/Mark of Rodgort Ele heroes...and you've got a whole lot of damage reduction. You could even add a P/W ToF! Tank, which would remove the need for you to take ToF!, and you could go with 10 Leadership and 12 Spear Mastery, and take something like Barbed Spear to easily meet the Spear of Fury condition.

I wonder if it'd be possible to Hero/Hench HM with this...it'd be sort of like a Bonder, I guess, except with more use than spamming Mantra of Inscriptions then Blessed Signet over and over .

Originally Posted by Yobz

Anthem - throw normal spear - spear of fury.

Originally Posted by Yobz

Anthem - throw normal spear - spear of fury.

Aggressive refrain isn't a problem to keep up, cast one when going into an area, then cast There's Nothing to Fear, recast TNtF when it runs out. If you don't want to power shouts yourself, give one of your heroes or hench a shout (eg hench that uses Charge!).

Spear of Fury only needs any condition. Burning was used just to fit in with "They're on Fire" and to synergize with searing flame heroes.

Another option is to use your heroes/hench to spread conditions around (eg necro)