Originally Posted by Mr Pink57

I thought the fleshy was pretty good tank, unitil I realized Jagged Bones plus Death Nova causes a ton o damage. Or take Order of Undead with Masochism.

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Originally Posted by WildmouseX

now i know that fleshy is big, lvl 27, does a good chunk of damage, and has lots of health... pluss he leaves an exploitible corpse. - and yet with all those bonus' i choose not to bring him.... i must be crazzy, not quite.

while fleshy is awsome, seen here dishing out 68 damage to a level 22 hulking stone elemental in regant valley hard mode



he has some dis-advantages. he can only dish out that dmg to one target, and when mob's figure out that he's a threat, they gang up and take him out lickety split.

let's look at some lvl 18 OoU minnions at work on the same monsters



with OoU, you spread out your added damage accross all ten of your minnions - so when you're fighting a big mob, you can hurt all of the enemies good at the same time, without giveing them a chance to focus their attacks aginst just one of them. - and as your team reduce's the group, you can focus your dmg more and more , dealing huge dmg to the last man standing.

what's the difference in dmg you ask? well with 9 minnions dealing their avg 10 dmg, and fleshy pulling off the 68 shown above, we're looking at 158 dmg from the group as a whole when they attack.. and while i didn't seem to get my screen caps timed right, fleshy did get some 98's pulled off on some devour's on the way to that spot, so that brings the group dmg as high as 180 -------- however, if we average 10 OoU minnions to the low 27 that is shown twice there (also found by takeing normal minnions avg 10 dmg + 17 that is added in the OoU discription) - we have 270 dmg easy.
{ please note that while the pics don't have equeal number of minnions, the math here figures with full sized armies}

so for those of you runing a pug and are worried that a MM with OoU isn't dishing out as much dmg as fleshy is - you can relax because it's simply not true.

OoU's other benifit includes that there is no single minnion for the enemies to bring down. while each of them do individually die faster then fleshy, the group as a whole is strong and not dificult to stay ahead of.

the other concern that often come's up, is the health sacrifice......and it has been my exerience that 4 vamp horrors are enough to counter the sac's in normal circumstances and any of the bot monks (hero's or hench's) or any semi-competant human monk can keep you up durring the heavy flow times. - have even ran in groups where both botmonks were protects, and had no health concerns.

working outside of fort ranik on hard mode is one thing, but can OoU do the job in the big time? - here's a screenie from hard mode LB point farming in the relm of torment.



- due to arms of insainities constant upkeep of Quickening Zephyr, i replaced my pecker with SoLS. and then brought along dark bond which saved my rump a time or two... by the time i was done MMing this run, i had replaced SoLS with energy tap and res sig with channeling from the mes's inspiration line - and that was plenty to make up for the stupid spirits.

if you want a bottomline, here it is - OoU minnions dish out as much (if not more) dmg then fleshy, OoU minnions can't be gang-raped like fleshy is, and OoU minnions are more versitile and able to adapt to many different situations.