Curse

phool · Jun 12, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

~~~ "The design team has spent considerable time reviewing the game, and a number of skill balances and PvP changes will be implemented into the game this week. These changes will remain in place for the week and, if they are successful, will remain in the game permanently." ~~~

Link here

55ing isn't affected, warrior and elementalist solo builds are kinda battered though. The most relevent ones

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We added a cap of +25 to the armor buff when stacking skills. A single skill can still bring the bonus over +25, but multiple skills with smaller bonuses will not do so. Armor bonuses from shields, weapons, insignias and inscriptions are not affected and still stack.

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Stoneflesh Aura: decreased duration to 5..15 seconds

Most of these are probably aimed at pvp (which is going to be constant omfgwtfhexesbbq with some spirit spamming on the side), armour stacking for paragons, recall for recall split.

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robably an over-reaction at least in part, mantra+kinetic+stoneflesh is plenty for most ele farms and there's always the option of running AoTL if needed, while many warrior farms e.g. beach can be farmed with only dolyak signet for AL if using live vicariously. Actually DoA tanking etc may be more affected.

The.D0pefish · Jun 12, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

i've seen it and i'm quite upset....
the change of stoneflesh aura doesn`t really affect any farming build.
But the change to RS Buffs are really stupid.
So it seems i can say goodbye to a few of my mesmer builds ....

dies like fish · Jun 12, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

The update is NOT permanent, so I wouldn't throw out those builds yet. After they see their mistakes they will probably fix this.

The.D0pefish · Jun 12, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

i know but most of the "not permanent" updates were kept ingame....
well, we`ll see if it stays.
Well at least i'll have one week for my 55 chars

karunpav · Jun 12, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I'm not digging the armor cap, say goodbye to all my warrior HM farming spots >_>.

ArKaiN · Jun 12, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

pretty sure the armor cap isn't gonna be permanent. It just kills solo farming as a W/anything

The Bard · Jun 12, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

poop >__> as soon as i start using or think about start using some farming build it gets nerfed T____T

Splatter Mcnasty · Jun 12, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

People will find a way around these nerfs...I've been using a particular build for about a year and a half (I made it right after the very first AoE scatter nerf hit in late 2005). My build is completely unaffected by this upcoming nerf...most likely because I've never posted it (and never will), so its not widely used.

To avoid continued nerfs, people should keep their builds secret so they dont get over-used, which leads to nerfing.

ahbuh · Jun 12, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

The nerfs for the PvP community seriously affects the PvE community so i hope they decide not to cap the armor. Think of the farmers and HM we are players too, we payed for the game too.

I love how ppl assume that if they dont share it, it wont get nerfed.

SOTY731 · Jun 12, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

so does the armor cap mean skills like dolyak sig, watch yourself, physical resistance cant combine and raise your armor more than +25?

Stormlord Alex · Jun 12, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

The armour cap means that skills cannot stack to give more than +25 armour. So, if you have a +20 Watch Yourself! and a +28 Dolyak Signet, using both together would only net you +25 armour. However, individual skills can go above this cap - if you had a +64 Kinetic Armor, you'd get the full benefit from it.

Soulsmasher · Jun 12, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Oh lovely lets whip out the nerf cannon, people wonder why I deleted my warrior for a ranger, if they do decide to make the armor nerf lasting then it will just re-enforce my reasons.

Yarrick · Jun 13, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Some changes are bad, some are actually good, Im looking forward to Melandru's Resilience 'nerf'

vespertine · Jun 13, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by Splatter Mcnasty

To avoid continued nerfs, people should keep their builds secret so they dont get over-used, which leads to nerfing.

i think that's the most stupid statement i ever read in a FARMING forum..

@The.D0pefish: as far as i see the mesmer builds are NOT affected by this update as you only use 1 armor buff which can be used at it's full effect like before..

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

The armour cap means that skills cannot stack to give more than +25 armour. So, if you have a +20 Watch Yourself! and a +28 Dolyak Signet, using both together would only net you +25 armour. However, individual skills can go above this cap - if you had a +64 Kinetic Armor, you'd get the full benefit from it.

not really..

WYS(20) + Dolyak(28) = 28 AL
WYS(15) + Dolyak(15) = 25 AL
WYS(20) + Dolyak (28) + Feigned (80) = 80 AL

they only STACK up to 25.. every skill that exceeds +25 will provide it's full potential (Feigned Neutrality's +80 for example) and the skill with the highest AL is the one that "counts"

Gawayne · Jun 13, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Recall nerf just made Elemental Sword farming taking forever again.

Back to that damned Shadow of Haste.

VitisVinifera · Jun 13, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

pretty sure the armor cap isn't gonna be permanent. It just kills solo farming as a W/anything

since when did anet take farming into considering when it came to holding back on nerfs? The answer is: never.

ArKaiN · Jun 13, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

since when did anet take farming into considering when it came to holding back on nerfs? The answer is: never.

I'm getting pretty tired of that "boo hoo Anet hates all farming" posture.
If that were true there wouldn't be exceptions to loot scaling. There's like 10 more examples(like Prot Spirit not being nefed to "other allies" even after 55 became a fad), but that really drives the nail home.

ThaAlchemy · Jun 13, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by dies like fish

The update is NOT permanent, so I wouldn't throw out those builds yet. After they see their mistakes they will probably fix this.

I wouldnt put too much faith in anet fixing mistakes.... they have a bad track record in that area. but i guess they would have to acknowledge that it was indeed a mistake first

VitisVinifera · Jun 13, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

I'm getting pretty tired of that "boo hoo Anet hates all farming" posture.
If that were true there wouldn't be exceptions to loot scaling. There's like 10 more examples(like Prot Spirit not being nefed to "other allies" even after 55 became a fad), but that really drives the nail home.

1. I wasn't QQ'ing. I made a statement of fact.

2. A farming skill NOT being nerfed is hardly an argument that anet doesn't nerf farming skills (again usually originating in pvp play)

3. Loot scaling was originally a huge anti-farm measure, then the gigantic outrage resulted in it being mostly reverted back to original. That it's there in any form is anti-farming.

AngeloM3 · Jun 13, 2007, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Wow I dont understand why people get so upset over these things. Its actually kinda comical to come here and read all the people complaining over the most trivial things. So what! Big deal they changed a skill... do some research and come up with a better build!