Curse

Marverick · May 28, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12

If you have 13 Divine and 14 Healing for maximum benefit from Healing Touch, then Divine Favor at 13 heals for 42, double that is 84. Healing Touch at 14 Healing Prayers is 57, for a total of 141.
With 551 health, you lose 275.5 health and Healing Touch heals 141, leaving you with 134.5 health loss total. Stop blowing shit out out of your mouth and get to reality. If you're so stupid you can't calculate for yourself then go play WoW please.
Why are you running with 551 health? I don't see how you can get an odd number of health... oh wait, yea I can, you're an idiot running around with a major vigor.
Guess I'm out of here then, I'd rather not risk forfeiting my sanity by talking to you any longer.

Lourens · May 28, 2007, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Age

Why do you keep posting in here when you don't play Monk?Rits maybe more efficient but Monks are more effective at it.You don't have[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]for big spike damage.

eh Rt's can use [skill]Infuse Health[/skill] aswell as monks :P

O and u can use Holy Haste to cut orisons casting time

Age · May 28, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

You maybe able to use that but not as good as Monk.What is really bugging is all you Rits who think you are supreme healer when you aren't.You weren't designed that way if you are more powerfull than we Monks then it would seem you are over powered and need some of your skills rebalanced in your restoration line.Monks have been in the game longer and know their jops very when it comes to healing and if Rits were so darn great why aren't there more in gvg.

What is really getting to me about all this is you dumping on Monks and saying how lousy they are has a healing class in our very forum.The fact is we aren't a lousy class when it comes to healing but that is what you Rits and just to let you know I have played a Rit all the way up to the Enternal Grove Mission and capped all the elites up to there.Rits are a fun class to play and maybe efficient but Monks are more effective.

This does not help well for those wanting to become Monk Healers.

JDRyder · May 30, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

[skill]Orison of Healing[/skill]

Many people hate this skill with all their guts. The one and only reason I am defending it is to ask this question: Is there any Healing Prayers skill that heals for a moderate amount of health, has a very low recharge, and has full range? I don't know why people hate it so much. Healing Whisper has half range, making it very restricting. The only reason to bring Orison of Healing is to have a heal that you can count on that does not have to recharge for 5+ seconds. With Healer's Boon, it becomes legendary. Yet, even without Healer's Boon, it should be on many more Healing Prayers Monks' skill bars. To tell you the truth, in the beginning, I never carried Orison of Healing with me because everyone had stated that it sucks to the maximum of suckiness. But, I have changed my mind because of the reasons above. If anyone can tell me a 5-energy, low-recharging, fast-casting, full-range heal, I'll shut the hell up. For now, though, I am not convinced that it sucks.

~Xeones

Dwayna's kiss?

Marth Reynolds · May 30, 2007, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by Age

You maybe able to use that but not as good as Monk.What is really bugging is all you Rits who think you are supreme healer when you aren't.You weren't designed that way if you are more powerfull than we Monks then it would seem you are over powered and need some of your skills rebalanced in your restoration line.Monks have been in the game longer and know their jops very when it comes to healing and if Rits were so darn great why aren't there more in gvg.

What is really getting to me about all this is you dumping on Monks and saying how lousy they are has a healing class in our very forum.The fact is we aren't a lousy class when it comes to healing but that is what you Rits and just to let you know I have played a Rit all the way up to the Enternal Grove Mission and capped all the elites up to there.Rits are a fun class to play and maybe efficient but Monks are more effective.

This does not help well for those wanting to become Monk Healers.

Resto rits are mainly depended on spirits, if a resto rit can keep up the spirits he can outheal a pure healing monk with ease.
[skill]Orison of Healing[/skill][skill]Ghostmirror Light[/skill]
^ see what i mean?

Luna Star · May 30, 2007, 08:19 AM // 08:19

^ yes that's very smart, use the worst healing spell for comparison, and if you are taking conditional healing into account, why not compare with [skill]dwayna's kiss[/skill] and don't forget to add the divine favor bonus, also [skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill].
Ritualists can heal, but they can't outheal a healing monk, as the monk can also use [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill].
they are both good at healing.

Div · May 30, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Orison is like the healing version of RoF. RoF is an awesome, all purpose prot that can be used in many situations. Though it's not the best, the fact that it's usable almost anywhere makes it so popular. Similarly, orison lacks the raw healing power of dwaynas kiss or ethereal light, but it's an all purpose heal with a low recharge (don't ask me why you'd want to spam it though), can heal yourself, and isn't easily interrupted.

Giga Strike · May 30, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

RoF wont save someone who is dying from degen.

dont flame me for this, i do believe that RoF is better than orison in most situations, but orison has its uses.

Age · May 30, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

You would be surprised at what RoF can do under degen although your mana may not like it.That is one good thing about Orison's it can if used right and both skill are core skills you get as quests.Don't forget these are free yes Dwayna's Kiss is in Proph. but that is it.

Mr Emu · May 30, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

To put some more wood on the heal vs. prot fire, i will compare the "benchmark" skills of each line:

---At 12 heal or prot, rof will counteract and heal up to 67 damage while orison will heal for 60. This means that rof can counteract a range of 0 to 134 damage while orison can only negate 60 damage.

---RoF is a proactive skill; you don't have to wait and react

---RoF has a 1/4 sec cast vs. orison's 1

---RoF is in the prot line, which has access to other amazing skills like dismiss (a lightly conditional ~70pt heal and condition removal with a 3 second recharge) and shielding hands (and excellent anti-pressure tool)

BDZeres · May 30, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

My PvE bar is

RoF <--- Always On my bar
Dismiss <-- Always On my bar
SoA <-- changes w/ area. (Either Shielding Hands or signet of devo./rejuv.)
Dwaynas Kiss <-- almost Always on my bar. (sometimes I take gift of health if the area is not hex heavy and I am running ZB or SoD)
Holy Veil <--- almost always on my bar
Prot Spirit <--- always on my bar
WoH (LoD, ZB, SoD, RC) <-- changes w/ area
GoLE
Aegis (Extinguish)

9 Prot (+1), 10 Divine (+1), 11 Heal (+4); OR 11 Prot (+4), 10 (+1) Heal. 9 Divine (+1) w/ ZB or other prot elite bars.

Most cases I can catch a PvE spike with RoF + Dismiss (If deep wound) and WoH. Properly using Prot + SoA + Dwaynas totally negates physical pressure . Prot + Dwaynas will outheal ele damage in most cases. If there is going to be tons of hexes or AoE I take LoD instead of WoH and thats usually enough. Hardmode sometimes requires SoD, RC or ZB and I use that as needed.

GG PvE

Drizdee · May 31, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

I never take orison over Words of Comfort. Simply due to the fact that orison is in most cases going to be a weaker heal when needed.

Incandecree · Jun 06, 2007, 03:20 AM // 03:20

This is for PVE and is in no way all encompassing. Many of the groups these days has a Healer's Boon monk and one other monk in an 8+ member group. I carry Arcane Mimicry to copy the HB.

Okay. HB + Orison == about 126 point heal + DF bonus (at 16 healing prayers). Not bad of a heal. I usually don't carry Orison due to what I consider better heals. Now. Seeing that I have one elite that I have copied I can carry another elite. I have been toying with Aura of Faith. That is another 50% heal but it is a target ally. Now your Orison is 189 points of heal + DF bonus. That is a sizeable 5e heal.

segnisletum · Jun 06, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

Ignoring the rt vs monk and heal vs prot part of the thread and more on orison.

The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.

The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison.

As for the "yeah but hb+orison=good heal" argument, hb+any heal=big number. If other heals>orison before hb, adding hb(a % increase not a set amount) would only increase the gap between themselves and orison. Granted some skills aren't helped by hb, but with the loss of a pip you don't want to be spamming anyways.

moko · Jun 06, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by segnisletum

Ignoring the rt vs monk and heal vs prot part of the thread and more on orison.

The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.

The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison.

but the point is, that's a bad thing to do. you can't argue that way. bad things having a use in things that are bad doesn't exactly make the bad thing good in the first place. <_<

my god that made no sense..

to sum it up..orison sucks. spamming something to make the red bars go up (with a bad result at that) is baed.

Age · Jun 07, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by segnisletum

Ignoring the rt vs monk and heal vs prot part of the thread and more on orison.

The main argument for orison that I am seeing is that it is a spammable cheap heal. Speaking in terms of a straight up heal build as it is the only time I think anyone would carry orison you have 5 slots to play with (hex/condition removal and res taking the other 3). You can spam through dwaynas, words of comfort, ethereal, woh/lod/healing light, signet of rejuvenation and by the time you are done dwaynas and words is ready to cast again. Not doing the math but you can probably switch out the elite for hb and it would still work. Could even carry healing whisper for heals on other casters as they would probably be in that skills range.

The above chain without orison is blind luck casting conditional heals but I would take both of them in that scenerio over orison.

As for the "yeah but hb+orison=good heal" argument, hb+any heal=big number. If other heals>orison before hb, adding hb(a % increase not a set amount) would only increase the gap between themselves and orison. Granted some skills aren't helped by hb, but with the loss of a pip you don't want to be spamming anyways.

You mean use both Healing breeze plus Orisons that is 15 energy might as well use Shield of Rengeration.