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some guy · Mar 23, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

Orison is like many skills in that it was a good skill back before newer skills were released, but now it is simply outclassed. It's major weakness, quite honestly, is the same as that of all healing prayers in that you are forced to recompensate for health already lost. This leaves your ally open to getting spiked before you can cast a spell. Protection can not only protect from a spike by buffing an ally before damage is dealt, but can also stop a much larger amount of damage taken per energy spent when skills like Prot Spirit and Shield of Absorbtion are used.

Even with HB, skills like Dwayna's Kiss, Words of Comfort, Ethereal Light and etc. are still better than Orison.

To put it simply, Orison is really just another skill that is a stepping stone to progress from as better skills become more available, just like Power Shot, Flare, and other early attained, but inferior skills in the game.

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I agree, Orison is getting outclassed and outdated. Even with HB, the other heal prayers are better to use.

Toasted Doughnuts · Apr 21, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47

I see no reason to hate orison, it's a useful spammable heal. Yes some heals are better but not as spammable as orison. And it heals ok for 5 energy and is useful on the bar.

JR · Apr 21, 2007, 12:50 PM // 12:50

It is an inefficient use of 5 energy, and a waste of a slot on your skill bar.

Iron Monkey · Apr 22, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

I moved away from it and healing breeze pretty quickly

1) I don't like spam.
2) There are now other 5 energy healing skills that each add a bit of 'extra'.
3) Faction and Nightfall damage are more towards the degen and party-wide side of things. Orison is just a waste of a slot / energy imo.
3) I use a Healer's Boon Build pretty much 90% of the time I play healer, so Etheral Light is quite simply awesome. Plus spam + HB = very very bad idea.
4) I learned how to not get targeted. I do not need the extra self-heal orison provides.

usual build :
- Word Of Comfort
- Etheral Light
- Dwayna Kiss
- Heal Other / Healing Seed
- Healer's Boon
- GolE
- Heal Party
- Restore Life

PS : I know, healing seed/healer's boon don't work, but it's such an awesome skill in PvE, I never leave home without it.

taichou · Apr 22, 2007, 07:44 PM // 19:44

PROT IS BETTER. Personally I think oroson is a waste of space on your bar, you would want a skill that heal for extra like dwayna or words of comfort because they heal more when your ally is under circumstances. But yes.. PROT IS BETTER

First Healer Monk · Apr 22, 2007, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Orison isn't good for actually the same reason Glimmer ain't good, but all the reasons are said here above... energy, waste of slot... I agree on all that.

Age · Apr 23, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by JR

It is an inefficient use of 5 energy, and a waste of a slot on your skill bar.

That is not what you said in your first post alteast it is free and you don't have to buy it.

LightningHell · Apr 23, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Age

That is not what you said in your first post alteast it is free and you don't have to buy it.

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It really is the definition of mediocre - not terrible, but sketchy as to whether it is really worth a slot.

If that isn't a waste of energy, I don't know what is.

Of course it's not terrible, plenty of stuff is more terrible.

Compare Orison with RoF. GG?

Age · Apr 23, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

^He siad it is medioce at that meaning it is that bad from what I get out of it.Yeah in way Orisons is sort of like Rof as you get them at the same time.

Burst Cancel · Apr 24, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

I like Ensign's old characterization of Orison as fool's gold. The fact that it's spammable encourages bad players to use it more often, therefore wasting more of their time and energy. The quality of being spammable is only useful if it's efficient, in the case of Orison, spam only magnifies its suckage.

The contention that general PvE doesn't require exactness is true but useless. If you're going to argue from the standpoint of general (ie. normal mode) PvE, there's no point in talking about skills at all, because you can beat normal mode with practically any skillbar you could care to name, up to and including an empty one.

Orison and Healing Breeze are dependable newbie flags for a reason. Generally, if I see someone using either of those spells, I'll also notice other things they're doing wrong. I don't believe that this is a coincidence.

Toutatis · Apr 24, 2007, 06:21 AM // 06:21

Personally, I like Orison of Healing. It's great as a general self-heal in the earlier stages of the game (note that I say self-heal here - my monk never uses Orison on allies as there are more energy efficient target-other heals around early on).

By mid to late-game I usually respec to smiting and go with Healing Touch as a self-heal, letting a hero or henchie do the bulk of the party healing. They're better at keeping larger parties in good health than I am.

Nkah Sennyt · Apr 24, 2007, 06:29 AM // 06:29

They've added a skill that's strictly better - Words of Comfort. Orison has had its time and is ready to go to bed.

Age · Apr 25, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Nkah Sennyt

They've added a skill that's strictly better - Words of Comfort. Orison has had its time and is ready to go to bed.

What about those who only have Prophecies and Factions and Etheral is easy interrupted and it all comes down to cost.

pingu666 · Apr 25, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

orison is alright, not fantastic tho. probably the worst spell without devine favour too

legacyofkain85 · May 01, 2007, 11:43 AM // 11:43

healer´s boon +orison+16 divine favor=70+35+51=156 health gain
at 15 helaing and 16 divine
but best non elite healing spell imo is dwayna´s kiss ,ive seen heals for above than 1000 health

legacyofkain85 · May 01, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

for al those people that say prot is better than healing plz give me a decent prot build because i dont see how u can actualy survive in high end pve areas with only prot and no healing

1 prot monk+1 helaing monk>2healing monks>2 prot monks imo

moko · May 01, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85

for al those people that say prot is better than healing plz give me a decent prot build because i dont see how u can actualy survive in high end pve areas with only prot and no healing

1 prot monk+1 helaing monk>2healing monks>2 prot monks imo

by prot people usually mean hybrid prot, including gift of health or something else as a raw heal up. it's not really needed if you at least have a zb and an sod or something in very high melee areas, but yarr.

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at 15 helaing and 16 divine

learn to monk.

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but best non elite healing spell imo is dwayna´s kiss ,ive seen heals for above than 1000 health

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healer´s boon +orison+16 divine favor=70+35+51=156 health gai

it still sucks. lol have you even read the thread at all?

jon0592 · May 01, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

With good enough Divine Favor this could heal for over 100...What's not to like?

Although I do enjoy Prot line more (mixed in with Gift of Health)

SnipiousMax · May 01, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by jon0592

With good enough Divine Favor this could heal for over 100...What's not to like?

The fact that there are other skills that accomplish the same with less investment and do other things besides.

Ishtar Serket · May 01, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

I only use Orison early on before other more efficient heals are available. Once I have Dwayna's Kiss and Ethereal Light, I never use Orison again. It may be spammable but its heal isn't enough for me to keep it on my bar when Ethereal heals for more at base and Dwayna's heals for much more, especially if you bring one or two enchantment spells or have a prot monk in the party.