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Spazzer · May 02, 2007, 05:43 AM // 05:43

Orison's weakness is its casting time.

Like other healing skills, it costs 1s to cast. Since Orison's obvious role is to be a quick spam heal, it is ultimately eclipsed by Reversal Of Fortune (RoF can situationally heal for much more than Orison, but the biggest strength over it is quick recovery). It has nothing to do with the amount of health provided by other healing prayers skills being larger--they have slower recharge times or are situational (Dwayna's Kiss, for instance, is target other ally).

farmpig · May 05, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

orison's is always on my skill bar i dun know why it draws so much flank

Wagjaffer · May 06, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

I'm just wondering...I've been using WoH for ages, but during this entire thread i've seen maybe 2 mentions of it. Is WoH considered a bad healing spell now, or have you guys just been leaving it out...because I can usually keep a person alive with orison during WoH recharge.

Gah, i hope I'm not terribly outdated, i haven't used anything besides WoH throughout factions and Nightfall!

Llint · May 06, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Wagjaffer

I'm just wondering...I've been using WoH for ages, but during this entire thread i've seen maybe 2 mentions of it. Is WoH considered a bad healing spell now, or have you guys just been leaving it out...because I can usually keep a person alive with orison during WoH recharge.

Gah, i hope I'm not terribly outdated, i haven't used anything besides WoH throughout factions and Nightfall!

Soon came factions, which brought Blessed Light as a great monk elite. Everyone was happy. Then soon came Night fall, and everyone has Light of Deliverance, and now everyone is happy once again.

IMO, LoD is the best monk healing elite. And is one of the best overall.

qdq_swi · May 07, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

The only reason I could see saying orison sucks is that heal specced monks suck in general. Monks really shine in the prot line, while they are simply outclassed by rits for sustainable, large heals.

monks can heal for more then rts btw... high divine favour + healing boon + jameis gaze is tons better then any rt heal.

Cebe · May 07, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by qdq_swi

monks can heal for more then rts btw... high divine favour + healing boon + jameis gaze is tons better then any rt heal.

Yes, it's a 10-energy heal and you only have 3 pips of energy regen. If you intend spamming Jamei's Gaze while maintaining an enchantment your energy will go down fast. I've always said Ritualist Healers are much better than Monk Healers but not just because of the healing power. Of course with high divine favor monk heals will heal for a few more points than rit heals (if we compare like with like... Orison of Healing heals for 145 with 16 healing, 13 divine whilst Mend Body and Soul heals for 121 AND removes a condition if there is a spirit around)...but are those few extra points really worth the, frankly, rubbish in-house energy management? I think not. Rits can get energy management on demand through skills such as Spirit Channeling...which I use in my Rit healing build and I rarely need to use it, since I also hold Kaolai's Ashes (note: Pre-cast party heal) and when I use Soothing Memories I get 3 energy back also

- 106HP heal for 2 energy!

Let's not forget the stunning party heals a Ritualist can chuck out. I take Life and Feast of Souls with me. It's basically like the Celestial Skill Star Shine. Usually I just let Life die naturally, but if massive party healing is needed fast, Feast of Souls = WIN! Oh, then there's Protective was Kaolai...the pre-cast "heal party"...

Rit Healers > Monk Healers...no contest in my mind.

Protection on the other hand, is the Monk's department.

But yes, in response to you Jamei's Gaze + Healer's Boon + Divine Favor may dish out a huge heal....but Dr. Strangelove was talking about sustainable heals...I'd like to see you sustain that!

thulsey · May 07, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Llint

Soon came factions, which brought Blessed Light as a great monk elite. Everyone was happy. Then soon came Night fall, and everyone has Light of Deliverance, and now everyone is happy once again.

IMO, LoD is the best monk healing elite. And is one of the best overall.

So said Noah, and there was great rejoicing.

And it *knew* Zealous Benediction, and had many bastard children....

Seriously, it's still an ok heal - depends on the situation at hand.

Zexion · May 11, 2007, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by crosshatch123

[skill]healing light[/skill] [skill]Words Of Comfort[/skill] [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill] [skill]Ethereal light[/skill] [skill]Gift of health[/skill]

And thats just heal skills. But I do agree that theres no reason to hate orison. Though I also prefere RoF over Orison, as I always prot....

With the exception of Dwayna's Kiss, all of those have minimum 2x the cast time of Orison, thus I would hardly consider them spamable to the same degree as Orison. And Dwayna's is only Target Other, so can't be counted on to save yourself in a tight spot!
And GoH has no place in a heal specced skill bar! And by "full range" I am sure he also speaks of no restriction. Ethereal Light is pretty restricted I would say.

_Zexion

Freeman · May 21, 2007, 04:06 AM // 04:06

I love Orison, but it does have it's limits, I always have it on my skill bar along with WoH/HB, Kiss, and healing touch. And yes, it is meant to be a spammable heal, you won't always have people affected by condition/enchants/hexes

Lourens · May 21, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Orison sucks dwaynas kiss ftw

Aphrael · May 22, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

nothing much wrong with orison... but it kinda depends on the area you want to use it... in hex heavy areas, dwaynas kiss easily out does it... but its always good in a tight spot... saved a few people with an orison cast...

in saying that though... its not on my bar as much anymore... still makes it there when im in an area where i know it can be effective... or when im running infuse and i use it to quickly mitigate my own health loss...

Dodo The Extinct · May 22, 2007, 11:55 PM // 23:55

The whole reason why people hate Orison is that they hate the Healing Skills line in general. Protection easily beats it because you can stop damage from happening, which is much easier than healing for damage already done.

The whole Healing Prayers line isn`t very versatile. People just use it because there really isn`t anything else.

Ensign · May 23, 2007, 11:48 PM // 23:48

Who cares if other healing spells have longer recharges than Orison? When did you ever want to spam the weakest heal you could possibly take?

Age · May 24, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Yes, it's a 10-energy heal and you only have 3 pips of energy regen. If you intend spamming Jamei's Gaze while maintaining an enchantment your energy will go down fast. I've always said Ritualist Healers are much better than Monk Healers but not just because of the healing power. Of course with high divine favor monk heals will heal for a few more points than rit heals (if we compare like with like... Orison of Healing heals for 145 with 16 healing, 13 divine whilst Mend Body and Soul heals for 121 AND removes a condition if there is a spirit around)...but are those few extra points really worth the, frankly, rubbish in-house energy management? I think not. Rits can get energy management on demand through skills such as Spirit Channeling...which I use in my Rit healing build and I rarely need to use it, since I also hold Kaolai's Ashes (note: Pre-cast party heal) and when I use Soothing Memories I get 3 energy back also

- 106HP heal for 2 energy!

Let's not forget the stunning party heals a Ritualist can chuck out. I take Life and Feast of Souls with me. It's basically like the Celestial Skill Star Shine. Usually I just let Life die naturally, but if massive party healing is needed fast, Feast of Souls = WIN! Oh, then there's Protective was Kaolai...the pre-cast "heal party"...

Rit Healers > Monk Healers...no contest in my mind.

Protection on the other hand, is the Monk's department.

But yes, in response to you Jamei's Gaze + Healer's Boon + Divine Favor may dish out a huge heal....but Dr. Strangelove was talking about sustainable heals...I'd like to see you sustain that!

Why do you keep posting in here when you don't play Monk?Rits maybe more efficient but Monks are more effective at it.You don't have[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]for big spike damage.

Ensign · May 27, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Orison is a heal that you only cast in non-critical situations. You don't need a specialized skill for non-critical situations. You can throw anything in a non-critical situation and have it work well enough.

Peace,
-CxE

Marverick · May 27, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Age

Why do you keep posting in here when you don't play Monk?Rits maybe more efficient but Monks are more effective at it.You don't have[skill]Infuse Health[/skill]for big spike damage.

[skill]Spirit Transfer[/skill]

And [skill]Generous Was Tsungrai[/skill] + [skill]Infuse Health[/skill] is better than a Monk infuser.

Dwayna's Kiss nearly always heals for more than Orison of Healing does, and Healing Touch is a better self heal.

Age · May 28, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Marverick

[skill]Spirit Transfer[/skill]

And [skill]Generous Was Tsungrai[/skill] + [skill]Infuse Health[/skill] is better than a Monk infuser.

Dwayna's Kiss nearly always heals for more than Orison of Healing does, and Healing Touch is a better self heal.

There is no way that is better than Infuse Health and it is not effective.It would just take to long as you have to drop a spirit and then hold ashes and then drop the ashes.I only have to infuse and then heal up with touch.Your method would take to long in spike.Then again Protective Spirit has you beat.I only see Orisons as patcher just patch them up when they are -20% health.

Marverick · May 28, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Protective Spirit is protection and I'm not arguing a Rit is better in protection. Rits can take Protective Spirit too anyway.

You drop spirits at the start of a fight, not in the middle. Recovery lasts 50+ seconds and also provides a ~50% condition reduction. And Generous Was TSungarai lasts 50+ seconds, you can cast it and leave it for a while.

Infuse Health causes you to lose ~300 health if you run with 600, and Healing Touch may heal 150 of that.

LifeInfusion · May 28, 2007, 12:49 AM // 00:49

If Words of Comfort were akin to Dwayna's Kiss and not able to be used on yourself it would be a different story. I myself dislike Ethereal Light as a self heal because sometimes it is unavoidable to have rangers and such trying to hit you with bows and wands. It is also not advisable for situations like Barrage from Torment mobs.

In a situation where conditions are being applied faster than you can Dismiss them, Words of Comfort outperforms it as a self heal (against skills like Barbed arrows, Apply Poison, Sever Artery) and LoD for party wide degens.

Self Heal wise, Healing Touch IMO.

In most cases where you have a prot monk, Dwayna's Kiss does double or more the heal of Orison of Healing.

Age · May 28, 2007, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Protective Spirit is protection and I'm not arguing a Rit is better in protection. Rits can take Protective Spirit too anyway.

You drop spirits at the start of a fight, not in the middle. Recovery lasts 50+ seconds and also provides a ~50% condition reduction. And Generous Was TSungarai lasts 50+ seconds, you can cast it and leave it for a while.

Infuse Health causes you to lose ~300 health if you run with 600, and Healing Touch may heal 150 of that.

You didn't include the devine favour bonus did you with touch and there is one.I have tried this with 551 health and it only casted touch once.That is all that I needed.

I am going to take Ensign's advise in his sig.