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ac1inferno · Oct 04, 2010, 03:02 AM // 03:02

SoS would work on an E/Rt but it won't be as good as on a Rt primary due to lower Channeling. And SoS should be put on a Rt hero rather than wasting a human bar for it. As an Ele, if you really want to do damage, SH is the only thing that comes to mind. Otherwise, go E/Mo and solo backline so you can use your heroes/henchies for something else instead of wasting their potential by having them be the backline.

darthsabbath · Oct 04, 2010, 03:07 AM // 03:07

I don't get the SoS hate, both on Rt/Any or Any/Rt. You don't have to play it. You don't have to play with anyone who plays it. Personally, I like playing N/Rt SoS when I'm feeling lazy. I can throw on a DVD or something and just cruise through GW. Plus to me it's fun just running straight into a monster, dropping 6 spirits in his face, and watching his health drop 50%. OP? Sure, but I enjoy doing it. To me, that's what matters. I know how to put together a build, but some days I just plain don't care.

Then again, I have the luxury of being with a guild that doesn't care about always doing things the most efficient way. Sometimes we just want to try something silly or weird and see if it works. Sometimes we like discord + SoS and being lazy... we get on vent and just BS while spirits and heroes do their thing. But we're also very capable of getting serious and getting the job done when we need to. It all depends on our mood.

FyrFytr998 · Oct 04, 2010, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

My primary is currently an elementalist. I really wanted to be able to keep playing this character but was trying to give an SoS rt a try. That being the case, I was curious whether an SoS build using E/Rt would work as well as a pure SoS rt/*.

Whatcha think?

Would it work as well as a Rt primary no, but even at 12 it's still effective enough to play E/Rt. If you want to play it, play it. Have fun.

Now if you're talking using this in PuGs that do high end areas. Well just forget it. PuGs in these areas are running specific teams with ZERO room for deviation. You're either with the program or you're on the outside looking in. Once the formula for beating an area has been discovered, it's cookie cutter city.

Hobbs · Oct 04, 2010, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Its still easy as hell on X/Rts, I mean last week I farmed Shrivelled Eyes using SoS on a W/Rt. Just get the skills, make sure you have above 40 energy then gogogo.

obastable · Oct 25, 2010, 08:45 AM // 08:45

To people who say running a /Rt SoS build is cheap, lame, a task reserved for those who fail at GW ... I invite you to come play on my internet connection and you'll prolly ragequit in frustration in less than 10 minutes because your super l33t build will most likely fail, unless of course your H/H are doing all the work while you twiddle your thumbs anyway (in which case your build is irrelevant).

I run a /Rt SoS build on my Monk for vanquishing because I have an average ping of over 2000 ... which makes playing an actual monk completely pointless. Toss up some spirits, start walking towards a group, hit summon spirits .. and hope to shit that things are dead when you stop lagging ... much easier than trying to play the red-bars game with my ping.

Attached a screenie from the other day just to give you an idea of what I deal with on a daily basis (no I'm not on dial-up .. I think that might actually be BETTER than what we have).

To answer the OP's question .. yes, absolutely, and with the right H/H setup you can tab-space through virtually everything in HM ... even with a horrendous ping.

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 25, 2010, 09:05 AM // 09:05

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Originally Posted by obastable

To people who say running a /Rt SoS build is cheap, lame, a task reserved for those who fail at GW ... I invite you to come play on my internet connection and you'll prolly ragequit in frustration in less than 10 minutes because your super l33t build will most likely fail, unless of course your H/H are doing all the work while you twiddle your thumbs anyway (in which case your build is irrelevant).

You having useless internet doesn't make a valid build justification/criticism. It just means you're handicapped with regard to build choice.

aspi · Oct 25, 2010, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by I Hate Chips

Spiritspammers are pretty noob imo if u use it on another character... Because spirit spamming doesnt need any skill or what so ever. The only thing u need are the skills, and press on the skills. That's really it. It's boring, skilless but good, and thats why noobs use it

Most OP build don't require any skill. My AP Necro is the easiest job in the game. dwg build in doa, easy Peasy, barrage spammer easy.

obastable · Oct 25, 2010, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

You having useless internet doesn't make a valid build justification/criticism. It just means you're handicapped with regard to build choice.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, Marty, as you're kind of contradicting yourself. Instead of arguing I'm just going to state the obvious facts.

Every cookie cutter build is popular precisely because it's easy and effective.

The argument against running SoS on a /Rt, on the basis of grouping and pugging, is invalid because there's nothing that dictates you must play with these people when you run this build.

It doesn't work as well with /Rt as it does with Rt/ but it does still work stupendously well.

Roen · Oct 25, 2010, 07:51 PM // 19:51

I like playing R/Rt for easy switching between splinter/barrage and SoS. I don't use the standard pvx spirit farm build but play my own two-man R/Rt build with pyre because I like him so :-P

It can be fun to change up and try different styles and different builds. One of my fav things about GW is trying different builds.

Right now I'm working on trying an 8-skill chain for a one hit wonder ranger build. Yes. barrage is the last skill in the chain. Seven buffs followed by barrage. Others before me have probably already tried it and it'll probably end up sucking but it's fun to see if I can come up with my own way to take out an entire mob in "one" shot.

So if you like playing SoS as an Any/Rt, there's nothing stopping you. You can roll through most of the game right now that way. And if that's what you like, do it. People seem to forget but It's a game after all.

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 26, 2010, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by obastable

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, Marty, as you're kind of contradicting yourself.

How am I contradicting myself? You having bad internet puts you in a compromised position which translates to your ability to run builds effectively. That doesn't indicate anything about the builds whatsoever, just that some are easy to play and others are not.

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Every cookie cutter build is popular precisely because it's easy and effective.

Yeah, but I put that down to power creep and the general stupidity of the playerbase. Anyone can roll PvE now with some stupidly overpowered PvE skills. A bar run by a good player will be better than the same bar run by a bad player. Having crap internet is relatable to being a bad player as you're reaction ability and battlefield awareness are extremely limited.

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The argument against running SoS on a /Rt, on the basis of grouping and pugging, is invalid because there's nothing that dictates you must play with these people when you run this build.

It doesn't work as well with /Rt as it does with Rt/ but it does still work stupendously well.

Yes, but most times you'll be better off playing something your primary profession should be doing, not trying to be a clone of another. Granted, SoS is overpowered enough that it doesn't make a difference (you'll still roll over everything), but the difficulty of playing it doesn't make it better than other builds.

obastable · Oct 26, 2010, 03:48 PM // 15:48

The general criticism of builds that abounds is that if it's easy to run then it's bad. By that logic, in order to be a "good" build it must be difficult to play. I'm not sure why making things harder for yourself constitutes a good idea.

Please don't say "because it takes skill to run it well" because there's absolutely nothing in PvE that takes any semblance of skill to accomplish, unless you quantify mashing buttons in a particular order as "skill", in which case a retarded & dyslexic primate could play the game & be considered a skilled player.

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Yes, but most times you'll be better off playing something your primary profession should be doing, not trying to be a clone of another.

Sometimes, not most of the time, and that sometimes only applies when you're grouping with other people.

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 27, 2010, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by obastable

The general criticism of builds that abounds is that if it's easy to run then it's bad. By that logic, in order to be a "good" build it must be difficult to play. I'm not sure why making things harder for yourself constitutes a good idea.

Please don't say "because it takes skill to run it well" because there's absolutely nothing in PvE that takes any semblance of skill to accomplish, unless you quantify mashing buttons in a particular order as "skill", in which case a retarded & dyslexic primate could play the game & be considered a skilled player.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying (and have never said) /Rt spirit spammers are fail. I'm just saying that a) crap internet doesn't automatically make the build good, and b) a bar run by a good player is better than the same bar run by a bad player.

As I mentioned in my last post, power creep makes 99% PvE a joke so it doesn't really matter anymore.

EDIT: And, of course, Rt primary spirit spammers are better, but that's a given.