Curse

Sirugel Kai · Dec 23, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

If i used a melandru bar it would be like this ( on PVX )
[skill]Victorious Sweep[/skill][skill]Wearying Strike[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Conviction[/skill]Eternal Aura[skill]Zealous Renewal[/skill][skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

Even with all radiant insignias and a zelous scythe its hard to keep your energy up

If you use melandru + eternal aura.. Thats 35 energy
Then you have to use zealous renewal wich is another 10

And if you use a +20E staff your energy will stay at 0 for a while after you cast all of that

That is why i dont like Melandru

moko · Dec 23, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

If i used a melandru bar it would be like this ( on PVX )
[skill]Victorious Sweep[/skill][skill]Wearying Strike[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Conviction[/skill]Eternal Aura[skill]Zealous Renewal[/skill][skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

Even with all radiant insignias and a zelous scythe its hard to keep your energy up

If you use melandru + eternal aura.. Thats 35 energy
Then you have to use zealous renewal wich is another 10

And if you use a +20E staff your energy will stay at 0 for a while after you cast all of that

That is why i dont like Melandru

k, so, if were smart you'd-

a) use zealous renewal good, so that it ends and grants you lots of energy just when you need it for melandru
b) you get zealous sweep
c) stop using radiant insignias
d) not use rebirth
e) pre-cast melandru so you have energy for combat

the additional energy from eternal aura doesn't count; you use that on all avatars.

GUESS IT'S TOO HARD TO USE GUYS.

Sirugel Kai · Dec 23, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Why in the world would i stop using radiant insignias.. Those help with energy >_>

Tab · Dec 23, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

No they don't. They don't give you any energy management - no regen, no energy when x is satisfied. A full set of Radiants will let you use one more attack skill in an entire battle.

Sirugel Kai · Dec 23, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

As far as im aware there isnt any rune or insignia that gives you more energy regen

Tab · Dec 23, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

There isn't, that's why you run Survivor.

Sirugel Kai · Dec 23, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Is it odd that i suddenly feel like an idiot. >_>

moko · Dec 23, 2007, 09:34 PM // 21:34

No.

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Div · Dec 23, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

No.

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I am better than Moko.

Tab · Dec 23, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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I see what you did there.

cellardweller · Dec 23, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

You see there's my problem - I party with Mhenlo

. I've only ever H/H'd with my Derv because so perhaps that is what is colouring my view. I'll try subbing in a smiter for my channeler hero tonight an see whether it changes my mind.

I ran the following build through domain of pain NM last night:
[skill]Chilling Victory[/skill][skill]Wearying Strike[/skill][skill]Wild Blow[/skill]Save Yourselves[skill]avatar of melandru[/skill]Eternal Aura[skill]Heart of Fury[/skill]Aura of Holy Might
I brought talky as a RoD/RoF zealots smiter to add extra energy regen, and whilst that helped, there were still energy issues and I was not able to use my attack skills on recharge. The biggest issues came when AoHM or HoF would end soon after an avatar needed to be re-applied when I would need to swaps to a 30/-2 set to cast and then be left without attack skills for 5-10 seconds.

Overall I found that the progress of the party was at least 10% slower than would have been the case with an equivalent Lyssa build.

Just for the record, precasting doesn't help with the energy unless you stop and wait for it to regen before engaging. This is counter productive, as it doesn't just lower your dps while you're regenning, eliminates completely for both you and the rest of your party.

Online Gamer · Dec 24, 2007, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

If i used a melandru bar it would be like this ( on PVX )
[skill]Victorious Sweep[/skill][skill]Wearying Strike[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Conviction[/skill]Eternal Aura[skill]Zealous Renewal[/skill][skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

Even with all radiant insignias and a zelous scythe its hard to keep your energy up

If you use melandru + eternal aura.. Thats 35 energy
Then you have to use zealous renewal wich is another 10

And if you use a +20E staff your energy will stay at 0 for a while after you cast all of that

That is why i dont like Melandru

I would replace[skill]Eternal Aura[/skill] with [skill]Chilling Victory[/skill]

Arkantos · Dec 24, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by Online Gamer

I would replace[skill]Eternal Aura[/skill] with [skill]Chilling Victory[/skill]

Eternal aura allows you to keep up your avatar indefinitely. It's a staple on PvE avatar builds.

Cazzum · Dec 24, 2007, 03:30 AM // 03:30

I think some of you are being a bit harsh with AoB. In FoW I find it a very effective skill, especially when you get to the skeletons. Which avatar lets you hit 150s+ on the skeles? The +40 AL is handy, especially for taking hits. Then there's the +33% run boost. 60+ seconds of Faster running ftw? Most runs take about that amount of time, and if they dont, use eternal aura.

Overall, however, I'd have to say Dwayna. MAinly because I use it for FoW solo farming.

Arkantos · Dec 24, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Cazzum

I think some of you are being a bit harsh with AoB. In FoW I find it a very effective skill, especially when you get to the skeletons. Which avatar lets you hit 150s+ on the skeles? The +40 AL is handy, especially for taking hits. Then there's the +33% run boost. 60+ seconds of Faster running ftw? Most runs take about that amount of time, and if they dont, use eternal aura.

Overall, however, I'd have to say Dwayna. MAinly because I use it for FoW solo farming.

The speed boost is not needed, the +40 armor isn't great because most dervishes bring conviction (16 less armor isn't going to make a huge difference) and if you want to use holy damage, just use heart of holy flame.

Cazzum · Dec 24, 2007, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Yes but arkantos, why use 3 different skills when you can use one? The running boost, yes not entirely helpfull, but good for running other characters. With the +40 armour, you can survive hits while running. Also IIRC armour boosting skills stack, (not entirely sure on that), therefore you can get a huge armour buff from 2 skills. Heart of holy flame and Heart of fury dont last as long as AoB, when AoB is used for getting holy damage you also get the armour and speed boosts. TBH I'm not out to prove its the best one there, but you dont give it enough credit.

Kale Ironfist · Dec 24, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Max armor stack is +25 (unless from a single source), so any armor beyond Avatar of Balthazar is useless. The increased run speed is negligible in PvE, considering Dervishes have Pious Haste and there really isn't much need for a speed boost in PvE anyway. The holy damage conversion is better served with a different skill, because you're expending your elite skill for it.

Even if you did get the full benefits of all three factors, what makes it better than the other avatars? Melandru gives you more health and immunity to conditions, Dwayna gives heals and practically makes you immune to hexes. Lyssa can output some insane damage and Grenth... destroys enchantments with ease (although it has terrible uptime, made better with Eternal Aura though).

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TBH I'm not out to prove its the best one there, but you dont give it enough credit.

Did you read the thread title? Even if you did, Avatar of Balthazar doesn't stand out in any one area, it's the epitome of mediocre of the Avatar set of elite skills. Because of its mediocrity, and therefore, being a less than optimal skill to use, it will be considered subpar.

System_Crush · Dec 24, 2007, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

Max armor stack is +25 (unless from a single source)

Really? Dam that makes an amassing tank useless, wel that saves me another few k for skills, elite and the time of testing it...

Online Gamer · Dec 24, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Eternal aura allows you to keep up your avatar indefinitely. It's a staple on PvE avatar builds.

Okay so it instantly recharges all the skills but does that count for the extra minute and a half that it is disabled after the 30 second recharge time.?

Tab · Dec 24, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

It recharges through disable. After its disabled, it basically counts as recharging, and Aura, like a morale boost, instantly makes all derv skills available once it ends.