Curse

ghostlyfenix · Dec 02, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by Biostem

Ok. Well, I've gotten pretty comfortable using enraging charge and flail. From what I've read, I need to get dragon slash. Not only does it look like a solid attack, but the adrenaline gain is great.

Just as a general comment, (and I know I've asked a lot of you folks), do you find axes to be better than swords? I have a few axe elites unlocked, and was previously using one until I got this cool gold sword which I'm using now...

Thank again.

i think sword is a more constant dps and good pressure but axe is more of spike damage

Stormlord Alex · Dec 02, 2007, 11:07 AM // 11:07

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Originally Posted by audioaxes

dragonslash just owns in this role

No, Dragonslash gets caught on a Guardian or Aegis and you fail miserably as your adrenaline engine is neutered.
Block is far too prevalent to rely on DS in any serious PvP.

Snow Bunny · Dec 02, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

but it's a sword and swords look cool ^^!!!!

amirite?

Frenzy+Rush is my standard IAS/cancel stance everywhere at this point, but if you're a human warrior, flail is amazing in pve

Biostem · Dec 03, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Just as an update, I picked up dragon slash at the Boreas Seabed mission, and while it certainly is a nice skill, it just doesn't seem to be "all that".

Otherwise, has anyone played around w/ leviathan strike (the one that does +dmg and kd/more dmg if blocked)? In factions at least, there seem to be a lot of enemies that block, so it might be more useful.

On another note, I am going to try a dwarven battle stance build w/ a hammer to see how it is...

Thanks again.

Grammar · Dec 04, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

[Disclaimer: this thread is about PvE; DS in PvP is obviously a no]

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Originally Posted by Biostem

Just as an update, I picked up dragon slash at the Boreas Seabed mission, and while it certainly is a nice skill, it just doesn't seem to be "all that".

In a perfect world, DS is knock-your-socks-off amazing.
An example of this perfect world would be the Master of Damage on Battle Isle, where DS shines brighter than the sun.

Then you go out into the "real" world, and you get a healthy does of reality: target switching, crippled, kiting, block, blind, hexes, interrupts, etc. Then you start to realize that DS is about as flexible as a steel I-beam.

Half the time, DS still works. And let me tell you, when it works, boy does it work.
But the other half of the time you'll spend fumbling around the battlefield like a rookie quarterback when things such as the above-listed start to rain on your perfect world parade.

Still, the argument for running a DS build has gotten stronger with the advent of PvE skills such as Save Yourselves and now Brawling Headbutt. So you would have a very strong argument if you stated that the advantages of a DS build outweigh the disadvantages.
But there are many situations where a DS build just won't be able to maintain the adrenaline chain needed to make it work. Eye of the North, in particular, has caused many players I know to switch back Triple Chop builds.

Personally, I run hot and cold when it comes to DS. I find myself switching back and forth between DS and Triple Chop on an extremely frequent basis. When I run the Triple Chop build and then run into a situation where I know the DS build would shine like crazy, I kick myself for not having the DS build at that exact moment, because I know I'm not doing as much damage as I could.
When I run my DS build and then run into a situation with heavy blind/block/hex/whatever and DS starts failing miserably, I kick myself for taking the DS build over the more stable and reliable Triple Chop build, because I know I'm not doing as much damage as I could.
I try to pick the build based on the area, but there's bound to always be a situation or two (and sometimes many) like the ones I just described above.
Oh well, I guess you can't have 100% efficiency all the time.

Sorry to get off-topic there.

On topic: I always go with Flail in PvE. Always.

Biostem · Dec 04, 2007, 03:04 AM // 03:04

Well... a lot of stuff to digest. I appreciate it, though.

I suppose it's both a matter of effectiveness and personal preference. I played this warrior using mainly axes when I was bringing her up. Now, I've been using swords more often, but it doesn't mean the other weapons are out.

It's kind of funny - while there are some good warrior elites out there, none seem to really 'wow' me like the elites for other classes. Regardless, I do thank you for the input.

Savio · Dec 04, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

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Originally Posted by Grammar

Then you go out into the "real" world, and you get a healthy does of reality: target switching, crippled, kiting, block, blind, hexes, interrupts, etc.

Most of those are irrelevant in PvE except for block, in which case you wail on something else instead.

I usually don't run Triple Chop as it requires me to stand in the precise spot in which several enemies are adjacent to me. Those spots aren't as frequent as I'd like them to be, and having to position myself is a waste of time, especially with Flail up. I'd rather Brawling Headbutt an annoying caster and let the rest of my party deal with everyone else.

majiger · Dec 04, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

IW question for wars: Has uses in both PvE and PvP (DONT FLAME).
Mostly if ur running anti-melee, but problem now is that due to the fact that some sins(like mine) carry shattering assualt, ur IW goes bye-bye unless u got a cover enchant which usually is Illusion of Weakness.

Savio · Dec 04, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Not sure where the previous post is going, but IW is crap, end of story.

Sprites · Dec 05, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

i just tested flail , it's awesome .. when the mobs don't spread

i kill things at an amasing speed ... except when i'm blinded

Biostem · Dec 05, 2007, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Yeah... so I've gotten a decent amount of playtime w/ dragon slash, flail, that aggressive charge or whatever it's called, (the +25% runs peed then +4 adrenaline when you hit w/ your next attack), it is quite fun.

I tried playing around w/ that leviathan slash, but it's too unreliable. I've basically been using power attack, that counterattack skill, and dragon slash. Once I get going, I can keep those attacks coming reliable, which is nice. I've been experimenting w/ using just lion's comfort w/o endure pain, and bringing another attack or cover skill (like shield bash), but haven't decided on anything yet.

One thing that's been bugging the heck out of me, though, is that I can't seem to reliably beat that "battle of the houses" mission in Kurzick territory, in Factions. I didn't have a problem w/ it w/ my assassin or mesmer, which I find even more unusual.

Anyway, thank again for all your help.

Savio · Dec 05, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

You should try bringing "For Great Justice!" and Sun and Moon Slash. If you have GWEN, get Brawling Headbutt and Steelfang Slash. Power Attack and Counterattack aren't particularly useful.

Biostem · Dec 05, 2007, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by Savio

You should try bringing "For Great Justice!" and Sun and Moon Slash. If you have GWEN, get Brawling Headbutt and Steelfang Slash. Power Attack and Counterattack aren't particularly useful.

I don't have GWEN... yet. I don't like how long the recharge is "For Great Justice". I do have sun and moon slash, though. I'll have to give that combo a try. Thanks.

Savio · Dec 05, 2007, 06:44 AM // 06:44

Get [wiki]Enduring Harmony[/wiki] and use it on yourself before FGJ, or else bring a Conjure.

Reinfire · Dec 05, 2007, 12:25 PM // 12:25

I never liked S&M slash. I prefer to use Whirlwind attack to power up D-slash

Dia Saro · Dec 05, 2007, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Flail + Enraging in PvE (And Hammer Wars in PvP, but they've Rush, too)
Frency + Rush in PvP (In split teams Sprint)

blue.rellik · Dec 06, 2007, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by Savio

Most of those are irrelevant in PvE except for block, in which case you wail on something else instead.

I usually don't run Triple Chop as it requires me to stand in the precise spot in which several enemies are adjacent to me. Those spots aren't as frequent as I'd like them to be, and having to position myself is a waste of time, especially with Flail up. I'd rather Brawling Headbutt an annoying caster and let the rest of my party deal with everyone else.

You never see crippled, kiting, block, blind, hexes, interrupts? What area of the game is this and how do I access it?

DreamRunner · Dec 06, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Berserker stance seems to be decent with it on 20 second recharge, but not many people I think noticed of the changed.

http://gwshack.us/501e2

Just a build I was messing around with in RA.

Savio · Dec 06, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

You never see crippled, kiting, block, blind, hexes, interrupts? What area of the game is this and how do I access it?

irrelevant != never see

Crippled: I'm in Flail, and I probably have KD'ed the monster I'm attacking. Limping around is the least of my worries.
Kiting: KD, or else go on to the next monster.
Block: Go on to the next monster.
Blind: y helo thar munk
Hexes: See Blind.
Interrupts: You're not seriously worried about monsters interrupting your attacks, are you?

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Berserker stance seems to be decent with it on 20 second recharge

Not being able to use attack skills with IAS is bad.

DreamRunner · Dec 06, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by Savio

Not being able to use attack skills with IAS is bad.

I wanted something viable for wild blow and berserk stance seems to fit the job. But if you want to run wild blow with frenzy, fine by me. Although it seems far to risky.