Curse

BLOODGOAT · Dec 05, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Self-healing monktank!

[skill]Aura of Faith[/skill][skill]Orison of Healing[/skill][skill]Words of Comfort[/skill][skill]Healing Touch[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Divine Boon[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill]

Mostly just used this for 600/smiting dual runs when I didn't have Factions, but hey, it worked.

Abedeus · Dec 05, 2007, 10:15 AM // 10:15

Where is teh anti-spell thingie? Why don't bring Protective Spirit somewhere instead of for example words of comfort.

Targuil · Dec 05, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

Where is teh anti-spell thingie? Why don't bring Protective Spirit somewhere instead of for example words of comfort.

Rules says NO for prot spirit.

A Leprechaun · Dec 05, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

I cant get o GW atm but I had a Headbutt farming build for Shing Jea island HM. Will post up soon.

~A Leprechaun~

Fuzzy Taco · Dec 05, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

your criteria don't allow for the optimal build, but this is one i dug up somewhere, NOT mine, but i've used it before with quite a bit of success.

N/Mo

16 Blood
12 Prot
SR - 3, unimportant

[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]Unholy Feast[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill]

the build is very flexible, it can fit in hex removal if needed, or anti-spike in the way of spirit bond for high damage groups. it's not the fastest, but you shouldn't be in this thread looking for the fastest builds anyway.

Malaguard · Dec 05, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Aimed mostly at the OP:

I am dumber for having read this thread. Your idea is retarded. And just so that you don't think I am randomly flaming, here is why:

I will define farming. Farming is the attempt by a player to maximize the gold/item output for the time invested. Period.

Solo farming is an iteration of this. Same principle, and more difficult to achieve.

This thread requests that people attempt to maximize gold/item output, and removes the most useful skills for doing exactly that.

That means that ALL the remaining builds will be sub-par. You won't be farming fast, and you won't be as effective as the specific builds.

If you want an INEFFICIENT farm - just play any PvE class, and bring your heroes and some henchies. Viola. Instant innefficient farming. You will get a few drops, you won't die much, and you'll kill pretty much anything.

Now that you see how my mind works here is my build submission:

www.pvxwiki.com

Go there. Select any build. Load up any Heros/Henchies. Go play. According to you, this is farming.

We'll just chalk the initial post up to [card]Ignorance[/card]

BLOODGOAT · Dec 05, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

Where is teh anti-spell thingie? Why don't bring Protective Spirit somewhere instead of for example words of comfort.

I wasn't farming FoW, UW, or anywhere else that would've required Spell Breaker, and rules said no Protective Spirit.

The.D0pefish · Dec 05, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Quote:

If you want an INEFFICIENT farm - just play any PvE class, and bring your heroes and some henchies.

hmmm you know the word "challenge"?
farming beside terra and a special amount of health or vwk has become very rare nowadays and some ppl. just find it fun to solo places.
If you prefer builds for fast money and don't like the idea of this thread:
Why the ---- are you posting in it? Just ignore it - there are plenty of threads for fast money.
Just don't tell ppl. what they have to do or how they should be farming.
Everyone knows 600hp/Smite can make a lot of money - but who still remembers the REAL sick old guides like Witte's Solo Tour, Racthoh's W/N UW or Lambdas Grenths Balance SF farmer?
Money isn't all - Guild Wars is a game and a game should be fun.
If having a challenge isn't fun for you then just don't post in this thread and don't behave like little girls...

Quote:

Go play. According to you, this is farming.

Hm so in your opinion farming is browsing on web sites - copying builds and spots from other ppl. ?
Weeeeeh l33t farming :O

And just to make it sure:
This wasn't a personal attack i just hate it when ppl. laugh at others who don't (want to) farm money as fast as themselves and think they're so skilled and pr0 farmers:
99% of them are just copying builds at all...

Copying a build isn't anything bad but just hold ur ballz flat...

btw: has anyone else noticed that the sentence "don't flame me" seems to attract flamers more than everything else? :/

Archaic · Dec 05, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malaguard

Aimed mostly at the OP:

I am dumber for having read this thread. Your idea is retarded. And just so that you don't think I am randomly flaming, here is why:

I will define farming. Farming is the attempt by a player to maximize the gold/item output for the time invested. Period.

Solo farming is an iteration of this. Same principle, and more difficult to achieve.

This thread requests that people attempt to maximize gold/item output, and removes the most useful skills for doing exactly that.

That means that ALL the remaining builds will be sub-par. You won't be farming fast, and you won't be as effective as the specific builds.

If you want an INEFFICIENT farm - just play any PvE class, and bring your heroes and some henchies. Viola. Instant innefficient farming. You will get a few drops, you won't die much, and you'll kill pretty much anything.

Now that you see how my mind works here is my build submission:

www.pvxwiki.com

Go there. Select any build. Load up any Heros/Henchies. Go play. According to you, this is farming.

We'll just chalk the initial post up to [card]Ignorance[/card]

Wow. Need some kindle for those flames? Go do something else, buddy.

majiger · Dec 05, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by The.D0pefish

hmmm you know the word "challenge"?
farming beside terra and a special amount of health or vwk has become very rare nowadays and some ppl. just find it fun to solo places.
If you prefer builds for fast money and don't like the idea of this thread:
Why the ---- are you posting in it? Just ignore it - there are plenty of threads for fast money.
Just don't tell ppl. what they have to do or how they should be farming.
Everyone knows 600hp/Smite can make a lot of money - but who still remembers the REAL sick old guides like Witte's Solo Tour, Racthoh's W/N UW or Lambdas Grenths Balance SF farmer?
Money isn't all - Guild Wars is a game and a game should be fun.
If having a challenge isn't fun for you then just don't post in this thread and don't behave like little girls...

Finally a person with some sense

, this thread is to challange your teeny minds that have gotten used to having all builds there on a silver platter.

Because those skills are so "needed" for farming, that is why you can't use these skills in ur submission.

To all flamers who say this is for personal gain: What does the OP gain from untested builds, or only tested by a minority? NOTHING! thats what, unless an alliance as huge as LaZy tests the build, ppl won't use it.

EDIT: Off-Topic: Archaic where are u in canda?

Friar Khan · Dec 05, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

I vote for dopefish.

I think this topic should be restarted because this thread is flamebait. The challenge is worth discussing imo but it's too inciting to start out by saying "It's time to stop using the same old carbon copy popular farming builds." Saying this implies that there's something wrong about using effective and standard builds. People get offended and cantankerous when they're judged for their use of effective builds.

In the new thread I'd also direct people to this thread if they really want to post about how the challenge is a bad idea. lol

Diddy bow · Dec 05, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Used this leet pwnage to farm glacial gauntlets =D.

Malaguard · Dec 06, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

People with sense...

I'm not saying that you CANNOT or SHOULD NOT create builds or be creative. But to post a challenge like this... It bothers me. And that's my sacred right on the internet - to complain about something that bothers me.

And - what I said was perfectly legitimate given the OP's criteria. Farming, not using those skills. Ok. 75% of the builds on PVXWIKI meet these criteria.

Now, can you meet my criteria?

10k+ an hour, even during non-holiday events. And if you can't, then in MY OPINION, you aren't farming. You are playing PvE and having fun probably, but you aren't farming IN MY OPINION. Probably a lot of the other people who actually spend the time to perfect their chosen farm spot and build would agree.

Hell, a killbot on NM can do as well as some of the builds that have been posted.

You throw up your defenses all you want: "Dont' squash creativity" "Don't be small minded" "Don't hurt my feelings".

If you can't play the game better than a bot that would randomly hit 1 2 3 2 4 3 c space 1 3 5 3 2 c space target item pickup item target item pickup item random time wait on each click bla blah blah. Then you are failing at your own defense! It's not being creative if you post a ridiculous thread, with ridiculous requirements, and leave it up to this archaic guys completely subjective opinion about what is good and what isn't.

And yes, half the builds here suck. We all know it. If you want to defend it, go ahead, I'm out. I'm going to go farm with my A/E slightly tweaked build and make 40k an hour for an hour or two, then go have a blast and do some missions or PvP with some friends.

If you want to farm all-night with a weak-ass build, go ahead :-). You can even call yourself "Creative" and "Large-minded". Pshhhh.... right.

Final Analogy:

I am having a hula-hoop building contest. Here are the criteria. Your hoop can only be a half circle. The hoop can be made of anything. Decorate however you want. Glitter, Stars, Markers. Go wild. BE CREATIVE. But, you cannot have a whole hoop, only 180 degrees of hoop. I will decide the winner of the best hoop, and then we can all go out and use them. As a reward for the best hoop, which I will decide, you will get to sit on your own thumb. All right - ready, set, GO! YAY CREATIVITY!

Archaic · Dec 06, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malaguard

People with sense...

I'm not saying that you CANNOT or SHOULD NOT create builds or be creative. But to post a challenge like this... It bothers me. And that's my sacred right on the internet - to complain about something that bothers me.

And - what I said was perfectly legitimate given the OP's criteria. Farming, not using those skills. Ok. 75% of the builds on PVXWIKI meet these criteria.

Now, can you meet my criteria?

10k+ an hour, even during non-holiday events. And if you can't, then in MY OPINION, you aren't farming. You are playing PvE and having fun probably, but you aren't farming IN MY OPINION. Probably a lot of the other people who actually spend the time to perfect their chosen farm spot and build would agree.

Hell, a killbot on NM can do as well as some of the builds that have been posted.

You throw up your defenses all you want: "Dont' squash creativity" "Don't be small minded" "Don't hurt my feelings".

If you can't play the game better than a bot that would randomly hit 1 2 3 2 4 3 c space 1 3 5 3 2 c space target item pickup item target item pickup item random time wait on each click bla blah blah. Then you are failing at your own defense! It's not being creative if you post a ridiculous thread, with ridiculous requirements, and leave it up to this archaic guys completely subjective opinion about what is good and what isn't.

And yes, half the builds here suck. We all know it. If you want to defend it, go ahead, I'm out. I'm going to go farm with my A/E slightly tweaked build and make 40k an hour for an hour or two, then go have a blast and do some missions or PvP with some friends.

If you want to farm all-night with a weak-ass build, go ahead :-). You can even call yourself "Creative" and "Large-minded". Pshhhh.... right.

Final Analogy:

I am having a hula-hoop building contest. Here are the criteria. Your hoop can only be a half circle. The hoop can be made of anything. Decorate however you want. Glitter, Stars, Markers. Go wild. BE CREATIVE. But, you cannot have a whole hoop, only 180 degrees of hoop. I will decide the winner of the best hoop, and then we can all go out and use them. As a reward for the best hoop, which I will decide, you will get to sit on your own thumb. All right - ready, set, GO! YAY CREATIVITY!

I think you deserve the 'gtfo of my thread' award. Now. GTFO my thread. kthx.

杀TanK杀 · Dec 06, 2007, 05:07 AM // 05:07

Create-a-build thread, not tell everyone they are noobs for having some fun

plastichead · Dec 06, 2007, 09:11 AM // 09:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by tekDragon

LOL.. well touch ranger + melandru's works on storm riders, mergoyles, and Skales in HM.

Works on spectral Vaettir in NM.

it's been posted many times here and in other forums also.

nice to know, but when i tried this, even at 14 expertise i still spent most of my time waiting on the energy to regen. i still prefer storm chaser as energy management for a pve farm toucher, its quicker and there when you need it.

The.D0pefish · Dec 06, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Quote:

People with sense...

I'm not saying that you CANNOT or SHOULD NOT create builds or be creative. But to post a challenge like this... It bothers me. And that's my sacred right on the internet - to complain about something that bothers me.

And - what I said was perfectly legitimate given the OP's criteria. Farming, not using those skills. Ok. 75% of the builds on PVXWIKI meet these criteria.

Now, can you meet my criteria?

10k+ an hour, even during non-holiday events. And if you can't, then in MY OPINION, you aren't farming. You are playing PvE and having fun probably, but you aren't farming IN MY OPINION. Probably a lot of the other people who actually spend the time to perfect their chosen farm spot and build would agree.

Hell, a killbot on NM can do as well as some of the builds that have been posted.

You throw up your defenses all you want: "Dont' squash creativity" "Don't be small minded" "Don't hurt my feelings".

If you can't play the game better than a bot that would randomly hit 1 2 3 2 4 3 c space 1 3 5 3 2 c space target item pickup item target item pickup item random time wait on each click bla blah blah. Then you are failing at your own defense! It's not being creative if you post a ridiculous thread, with ridiculous requirements, and leave it up to this archaic guys completely subjective opinion about what is good and what isn't.

And yes, half the builds here suck. We all know it. If you want to defend it, go ahead, I'm out. I'm going to go farm with my A/E slightly tweaked build and make 40k an hour for an hour or two, then go have a blast and do some missions or PvP with some friends.

If you want to farm all-night with a weak-ass build, go ahead :-). You can even call yourself "Creative" and "Large-minded". Pshhhh.... right.

Final Analogy:

I am having a hula-hoop building contest. Here are the criteria. Your hoop can only be a half circle. The hoop can be made of anything. Decorate however you want. Glitter, Stars, Markers. Go wild. BE CREATIVE. But, you cannot have a whole hoop, only 180 degrees of hoop. I will decide the winner of the best hoop, and then we can all go out and use them. As a reward for the best hoop, which I will decide, you will get to sit on your own thumb. All right - ready, set, GO! YAY CREATIVITY!

As i already said...
i hate it when ppl think they're so skilled because they can farm with normal builds -.-

Quote:

If you can't play the game better than a bot that would randomly hit 1 2 3 2 4 3 c space 1 3 5 3 2 c space target item pickup item target item pickup item random time wait on each click bla blah blah

I really laughed about this.
You say that you are playing the A/E farming build and really tell something about pressing more than a few buttons?

Sry i won't say more about this because it's just too funny.

So when Racthoh soloed and dualed Hell's Pre. he wasn't as skilled as you playing with a 100% idiot safe build ?
Good to know...

Seems we've got a new solo god now...

have fun farming 40k/hour (which IS quite acceptable) over and over again while WE have fun and do smth. individual

ReZDoGG · Dec 06, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

You wanted something different, here you go. This is a Necro build that uses a different Elite than most farming builds... It's not a great build, and is very limited to where you can use it, but pretty interesting to use. I came up with it awhile back, but just wanted to try it out again... I also made acouple changes or improvements. Only place I have tested it was outside The Marketplace, farming the small groups of Jade Brotherhood Knights. I haven't yet to see anything like it

I also don't really know how good it is, as I Haven't tested it. But it might be better than I think, but I am sure it won't actually be used for farming money. Creative is the only thing about the build.

Profession: N/Me

Template Code: OAVDMKxGSKBLBuBxlVVwAmAJBA

Equipment: Max armor with any Vigor Rune, 2 Radiant Insigneas, 2 Attunement, and 3 Undertaker's Insigneas. Any One-Handed Weapon with +5 energy and 20% Enchantment wrap, with any offhand for extra energy. Any Staff with 10% Casting, 20% Recharge, +15 energy "Seize the Day" inscription, and 20% Enchant Wrap. Staff is recommended.

Attributes:

Blood Magic: 12+1+3 (16)
Inspiration: 10
Soul Reaping: 8+1

Skill Set:

[card]Echo[/card][card]Arcane Echo[/card][card]Unholy Feast[/card][wiki]Mental Block[/wiki][card]Signet of Lost Souls[/card][card]Spirit of Failure[/card][card]Channeling[/card][card]Physical Resistance[/card]

For the 4th slot I use "Mental Block" Asuran skill. It helps to block alot of the enemy hits, and constantly refreshes itself... it seems to be the best to use. Of course you would need atleast lvl 3 Asuran Title Rank for it to work good. I am sure it will work without it and can be replaced with something else, but it is recommended... not that anyone would actually try the build or anything

Usage:
-Approach enemies
-Use Physical Resitance, and let energy regain full.
-Cast Channeling
-Use Spirit of Failure on an enemy to pull group
-When enemies are near, cast Mental Block before they hit you.
-Cast Arcane Echo, Echo (Elite), Unholy Feast, Echo, Unholy Feast.
-Cast Spirit of Failure on a different enemy when charged, shoud only need two enemies hexed with it.
-Then let your health get down a bit, and energy regain.
-Then use Unholy Feast when needed to heal up
-When the enemies are below 50% Health, use Signet of Lost souls as much as possible for extra health and energy
-If you time everything right, you should kill the group by time Channeling and Physical Resistance wears off.

It is good to let your health get down a bit, and energy gain up some before using another Unholy Feast. This will allow you to time everything just enough to stay alive without any problems with energy or healing/life stealing. Usually use Unholy Feast when your health is at around 50-75%.

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I made alil video just so you can see how it works without tryin it

Here is the Video: N/Me Unholy Blood Suckin Bastard (Video)

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Malaguard · Dec 06, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Dopefish, I think you misunderstand my post.

I'm not claiming to be a solo-god. Nothing of the sort. I'm stating an opinion that I think this thread is a bogus waste of time, and hoping other players can agree with that. I am not claiming that my A/E build is creative or original. Hell, I farm the most unoriginal places - I read Guru, then try to find the most profitable places and take my A/E there. Riven Earth Raptors. I kill Broodmother + 25-30 raptors in about 3 minutes, pick-up, resign, go again. I solo farm other bosses to supplement - all bosses I read about on pvxwiki with how to sliver-farm web-pages. Solo god? No. Effective farming? Sure. Best farming? Nah.

When I mentioned the bot - I'm saying that the MOST basic killbot program with a Derv scythe attack spammer can probably outkill a lot of the builds on this thread. My comparison was to point out that if you cannot farm better than a Derv Scythe Kill-bot, then you probably are doing something wrong farming. And by removing many of the most useful skills for farming, that's exactly what this thread is suggesting. A derv scythe killbot would not outfarm my A/E.

Some of the builds here have been great. I'm saying it's a flawed premise. I'd have been MUCH more interested in a thread that said:

Optimizing the Riven Earth Farm. Optimizing the Bergen Hotsprings Farm. Optimizing the UW or FoW farm. And then hear from real farming experts on what they do and how they do it. For the last time I'm out. I've said this before: If you aren't smart enough to understand my posts, then please do NOT try to interpret them.

Also - my 40k an hour only lasts for the first 3 or so evenings when I farm. It always drops quickly after that to the "average" 20k.

Last thing: The ONLY sustainable farm that will continue to hold value will be the ecto/shards farm. The ecto sinks in the game are huge. Everything else will become saturated, ectos (collectible drops) aren't affected by farm code, and will always be in demand.

RazorEdge · Dec 06, 2007, 06:41 PM // 18:41

I like the idea of this thread. A shame alot of people jump on the first opportunity to pick a fight here in guru. Posting this I'm probably gonna get my fair share. Seems all threads have flamers and trolls in them these days.

Anyway on topic with a few questions. Is this contest still running? Reading it all, I seem to get mixed messages. Also the requirements seem a little "loose". No word about if it's only solo builds or if duo builds are acceptable either. What are we supposed to farm? UW? Just asking.