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GodsPatriarch · Dec 05, 2007, 03:56 AM // 03:56

would the R/W combo be best or the W/R? i want to be able to swtich from using a sword or axe to using a bow.. for both PvE and PvP..would a Ranger primary be able to take damage like a warrior primary would? or would it be best if i used the Warrior primary?? factions n proph in mind..thoughts? comments?

kobey · Dec 05, 2007, 06:59 AM // 06:59

imo, a ranger can use a bow and a sword/axe(not as good as a warrior though) but a warrior can use a sword/axe but not a bow (possible, but very ineffectively)

So if you really want to use both sword/axe and a bow, i suggest R/W.

But the best is just to have 2 characters

wetsparks · Dec 05, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

the only down side by going with axes/swords on a ranger is that you lose a lot of armor vs physical damage. a warrior has 116 with a shield, the ranger would only have 86. what they will lack in armor vs physical they will make up with armor vs elemental damage. rangers have a base of 100 vs elements and another +15 vs a chosen element. another thing to consider is that rangers have some good stances to avoid physical attacks, it doesn't matter what your armor is if they cant hit you. but like kobey said, it is better to have two seperate characters, but if you can only have one, make a r/w.

distilledwill · Dec 05, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

Both of the above comments are true, I just thought Id add (just incase) that you shouldnt have both bow and axe/sword skills on one skill bar. It will mean you'd have to stretch your points out over 2 skills lines and you wouldnt be any good at either.

GodsPatriarch · Dec 05, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

yeah i didnt plan on having both of them on one skill bar, but if im in the mood to use a bow i can switch skills, attirubtes around, and if i was in the mood for a axe i can siwtch it around again and pull out an axe..ya kno?

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Good topic ^^ Good answers so far.

It is also dependant on the primary attributes of each of the profession. A Warrior/Ranger will be able to deal additional raw damage through the use of the Strength attribute and will give you access to a number of attack skills, stances and shouts.

While a Ranger/Warrior might not deal as much damage but Expertise will help to greatly reduce the amount of energy that you need to use attack skills allowing you to afford more expensive skills ^^

So it depends on the bar you run. If its mostly energy based I would say R/W while if its mostly adren based go for W/R ^^

Pyro maniac · Dec 05, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Ranger can run any weapon, Warrior is limited to axe, sword, hammer and sometimes scythe.
But if you prefer melee, go warrior.

MasterSasori · Dec 05, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

Both of the above comments are true, I just thought Id add (just incase) that you shouldnt have both bow and axe/sword skills on one skill bar. It will mean you'd have to stretch your points out over 2 skills lines and you wouldnt be any good at either.

I agree.

I suggest ranger because of my preference to ranger defensive stances and because of high elemental protection.

Pick Me · Dec 05, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

I have a W/R, and I almost never go bow, because there is little reason to do so.

Here is the advantage of bows on a Warrior:

Strength - using Strength elites and healing skills (lion's comfort), damage with a bow becomes very good (since you have armor penetration from Strength).

Here are the disadvantages of a bow on a Warrior:

Energy is very limited on a warrior, so using skills from Marksmanship is very costly (such as Concussion shot or a lot of Barrage usage).

High Armor on a warrior is greatly wasted, as you are ranged, and most likely will not face melee or physical ranged attacks, but you may face elemental range attacks.

Here are the advantages of melee weapons on a Ranger:

Energy using skills benefit greatly from Expertise
Rangers have great defense from Expertise to help them in melee

Here are disadvantages of melee weapons on a Ranger:

Lower armor vs physical attacks (which is what you will be hit with as a melee).
Weak healing, as Warriors can use tactics and have runes for both Tactics and melee weapon, as Rangers will have to suffer from either using mediocre wilderness survival or tactics (assuming you have high expertise)

I chose W/R because I wanted a Warrior. The chose of what you want is upto you, but if you don't care, I'd go with R/W.

distilledwill · Dec 05, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pick Me

I have a W/R, and I almost never go bow, because there is little reason to do so.

Here is the advantage of bows on a Warrior:

Strength - using Strength elites and healing skills (lion's comfort), damage with a bow becomes very good (since you have armor penetration from Strength).

Here are the disadvantages of a bow on a Warrior:

Energy is very limited on a warrior, so using skills from Marksmanship is very costly (such as Concussion shot or a lot of Barrage usage).

High Armor on a warrior is greatly wasted, as you are ranged, and most likely will not face melee or physical ranged attacks, but you may face elemental range attacks.

Here are the advantages of melee weapons on a Ranger:

Energy using skills benefit greatly from Expertise
Rangers have great defense from Expertise to help them in melee

Here are disadvantages of melee weapons on a Ranger:

Lower armor vs physical attacks (which is what you will be hit with as a melee).
Weak healing, as Warriors can use tactics and have runes for both Tactics and melee weapon, as Rangers will have to suffer from either using mediocre wilderness survival or tactics (assuming you have high expertise)

I chose W/R because I wanted a Warrior. The chose of what you want is upto you, but if you don't care, I'd go with R/W.

I agree with some of your points here, but I'll have to pull you up on others:

"damage with a bow becomes very good (since you have armor penetration from Strength)."

DPS on a bow is fairly weak, you've recognised that warriors dont have the energy to spam bowskills and seeing as the only decent DPS from a bow must come from the skills I dont think you can say that the damage is very good.

"Weak healing, as Warriors can use tactics and have runes for both Tactics and melee weapon, as Rangers will have to suffer from either using mediocre wilderness survival or tactics (assuming you have high expertise)"

[card]Troll Unguent[/card] is one, if not the, best healing skill in the game. R/W using an axe or sword usually spec in wilderness survival in order to use a combination of: [card]Apply Poison[/card]+[card]Cyclone Axe[/card] so trolls is a very good choice for healing.

Id also add that the high armour vs elemental damage makes the ranger more resistant to elementalists and conjure warriors/sins.

Apart from these two points, id agree with you.

Marverick · Dec 05, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

R/W is more for utility than pure damage, W/x wins for pure damage no contest.

[skill]Expert's Dexterity[/skill][skill]Dismember[/skill][skill]Agonizing Chop[/skill][skill]Critical Chop[/skill][wiki]Distracting Strike[/wiki] [wiki]Club of a Thousand Bears[/wiki][skill]Lightning Reflexes[/skill][skill]"On Your Knees!"[/skill]

[skill]Expert's Dexterity[/skill][skill]Standing Slash[/skill][skill]Galrath Slash[/skill][skill]Savage Slash[/skill][wiki]Distracting Strike[/wiki] [wiki]Club of a Thousand Bears[/wiki][skill]Steelfang Slash[/skill][wiki]Drunken Master[/wiki]

Axe is around 40-50 DPS, has great tanking ability, knockdowns, and decent interrupts. The sword one is ~60-70DPS with great interrupt ability, knockdowns, but poor tanking.

Warriors can push around 70-90DPS with Dragon Slash and stuff like that but they can't provide the interrupt spam Rangers can and don't tank as well as an R/W.

As for Strength and Bows, 14-15% armor penetration ON ATTACK SKILLS is hardly anywhere near enough of a damage boost to compensate for 2-3 lower marksmanship points and pathetic e-management, having to waste an elite skill for e-management.
Most of a Rangers strength comes from their elite skills, nearly all Ranger builds are built around their elite. How do you expect to do anything if you have to use your elite for energy management? You still can't use Concussion Shot regardless without expertise and that's the only reason that might warrant using an elite for e-management.

Valeria · Dec 05, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

on your knees for ranger stances is a nice idea i found it almost useless for my warrior stances.

i would recomend ranger as well. You could try out a R/A with [skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]death blossom[/skill]

Marverick · Dec 06, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Use [skill]Expert's Dexterity[/skill][skill]Golden Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Fox Fangs[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill] if you want to do daggers. More dps than moebius blossom and you can add in [skill]Horns of the Ox[/skill] for knockdown spam.

Moonlit Azure · Dec 06, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

I prefer ranger as my primary class for anything because it has great energy management, veasatile uses, and is just awesome!

Its all about preference, you can run the worst build, but if your having a great time, thats all that matters.

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