Curse

Shadow Slave · Dec 11, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Because it doesn't use DA!

I'm a pure DM/CS + unlinked skills addict.

Finally something I can agree with!

I ran a similar YAA build when EoTN came out....cant remember why I stopped

hmm..

Bobby2 · Dec 11, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Because it doesn't use DA!

I'm a pure DM/CS + unlinked skills addict.

I can (almost) fully relate to that.

My current RA build:

CS 12+1
DM 12+1+1
DA 3

[skill]siphon speed[/skill][skill]black mantis thrust[/skill][skill]exhausting assault[/skill][skill]moebius strike[/skill][skill]death blossom[/skill][skill]restful breeze[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]

Does most things your build does. Breeze, to me, is more of an OMGSTOPTHEDEGENPLZ skill than an actual self-heal, but you know it's RA huh. Can be upkept at 0 Healing so it's all good - Siphon Speed lasts 8s at 3 DA so that's ample time to connect with BMT.

YAA!, to me, is far too conditional, and limits your usefulness even more.

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

but who doesnt love SSpeed? :P

its only the best snare in the game next to cripshot

He's right, you know.

Yanman.be · Dec 11, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Siphon Speed is great, it really is. But for me, it's one of those skills I can do witout because I'm so wtfomgawesome. Reactive kiting>having no speed boost/snare.

Bobby2 · Dec 11, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Siphon Speed is great, it really is. But for me, it's one of those skills I can do witout because I'm so wtfomgawesome. Reactive kiting>having no speed boost/snare.

Reactive kiting + having a speed boost/snare> Reactive kiting.

You may think you're a god, but don't underestimate me.

Magikarp · Dec 12, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Reactive kiting + having a speed boost/snare> Reactive kiting.

You may think you're a god, but don't underestimate me.

i agree 100%. Reactive Kiting only does so much before the meta says we're not dumb, and adds in evasive tactics (which is has already). its not just as solid as a snare, especially when sins get some real badass hexes to do all the hard work for them. a run buff and a snare, easily put on more than one target in a a few seconds... thats just too good to pass up in a build like this. personally, i love run buffs from wind prayers/air magic, or even dash... but if i can squeeze it in, and it doesnt have a shadowstep, its sspeed allll the way.

ensoriki · Dec 12, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Feather foot Grace from Wind Prayers is awesome too!

LazyLink · Dec 12, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

/ignore

hah by typing that out you have already acknowledged my presence. me: 1 you: 0

MercenaryK · Dec 12, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Not really...

Although I've been running

YAA-Unsuspecting-Jungle Strike-Trampling Ox-Falling Lotus Strike-Twisting Fangs-IAS-res sig

It's more BOOM UR DED but that's not really my style. Also only works vs single target foes (YAA ).

Well, I like Unsuspecting Strike; get it off on a target with..... 90% life minimum and you just did 2 dagger strikes worth of +damage in 1 attack. If you're going to plan your attacks with a team, you can still go in first to get the most of Unsuspecting and have your team mates follow in suit.

MercenaryK · Dec 12, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

How's YAA!-Unsuspecting better than SP-BMT?
/ignore

YAA! despite using up your elite, is a shout thus you have no casting time, a much much larger range to pull it off, and two conditions, which I'm not sure which condition covers the other, but like he posted, you can set it up for jungle/trampling/lotus/twisting.

The downfall is that your target stays near allies -.-
And with SP-BMT you get the 15e you spent on two skills back in one
The energy regain from Lotus is later in the chain, so you'll need extra energy to pull it off, but it sounded like a good combo to me. A lot more damage at the cost of needing more energy.

Bobby2 · Dec 12, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

@ LazyLink: willing to grant you that much

Have fun with it!

On the YAA! subject: 'near' is a hell of a radius :s

MercenaryK · Dec 12, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

@ LazyLink: willing to grant you that much

Have fun with it!

On the YAA! subject: 'near' is a hell of a radius :s

What I meant by the radius is the radius of shouts; they affect targets just outside of the aggro range, which is better than half range of Siphon Speed.

But I understand the downfall; the near ally radius is rather large, and won't be easy to pull off, but a shout is instant to counter that downfall.

Bobby2 · Dec 12, 2007, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by MercenaryK

What I meant by the radius is the radius of shouts; they affect targets just outside of the aggro range, which is better than half range of Siphon Speed.

But I understand the downfall; the near ally radius is rather large, and won't be easy to pull off, but a shout is instant to counter that downfall.

Don't forget that you also need to run all the way up to him. I was comparing YAA!-Unsuspecting to SP-Black mantis Thrust... not SSpeed-BMT.

You know the fact that YAA!'s an Elite makes it even crappier? Who the hell needs weakness on what's supposed to be instagib?

MercenaryK · Dec 12, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Don't forget that you also need to run all the way up to him. I was comparing YAA!-Unsuspecting to SP-Black mantis Thrust... not SSpeed-BMT.

You know the fact that YAA!'s an Elite makes it even crappier? Who the hell needs weakness on what's supposed to be instagib?

Crap, my post didn't go through the first time v_v

No, I thought you were talking about SSpeed, not SP; then there isn't much point in comparing YAA! to SP.

Yes I know YAA! being an elite people won't like it because it takes up their elite slot, go figure. And also there's this too...

Unlike most shouts, this skill needs a target who has to be inside normal casting range. If the target is too far away you will receive an error message.

But the Cripple is applied first and the Weakness is the cover; yeah Weakness doesn't help instagib, but the build is about using Jungle Strike which doubles it's damage with Cripple, which is 'almost' spammable next to SP which isn't, or what my focus was, SSpeed which is half range, 1s cast.

I guess the build in question is for RA, not some high end GvG where breaking meta is a sin for failure.

ensoriki · Dec 12, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

well in weakness defense, it lowers attribute by 1.

Thus a weakened monk has weakened healing!

Bobby2 · Dec 12, 2007, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Enso don't make me kill you with fire. I'm confused now! Here we are, talking about the virtues (?) of YAA!. While what we're supposed to be commenting on is Yan's multi-KD-I-don't-need-mobility-advantage-build.

Just keeping it on topic people.