Curse

Hyprodimus Prime · Dec 05, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

Were starting to differ to much from the original build Hyprodimus =P

oops

Well referring to the original build then. I like the idea of constant KD, but where is this build for? I saw RA somewhere and thats it. It cant be for RA because theres no self heal. If you compress the bar anymore, #1 its not the same build, #2, you lose KD's...and thus your build concept. If its for HA...there is something called a Thumper. More damage, dazed, deepwound, IAS, speed boost, pet and room for utility.

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

@ the guys who are writing new "variations" on here: those are all worse than yan's build. none of them have knocklock, thats what makes the build attractive. your trying to put to much into it. You cant use an IAS in a KD build, you will wase a KD on a foe thats already eating dirt.

You're right, except my golden fang one, but it's off topic anyways.

I won't comment on Yan,
Ensign is so right, "Don't argue with idiots. They bring you to their level and beat you with experience." Let's just critique the build and "move along like I know you do."

Neverending Silence · Dec 05, 2007, 04:53 AM // 04:53

here's an idea...stfu about slandering each other and do what your supposed to do on these kinda threads...give advice/opinions/critiscisms on the builds not on the ppl behind them.

good build Yanman, nice pressure (against anything that wont blind you or block everything), constant KD snare and good enuf dmg, energy management is pretty good with Lotus. GG

Bobby2 · Dec 05, 2007, 05:32 AM // 05:32

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

@ the guys who are writing new "variations" on here: those are all worse than yan's build. none of them have knocklock, thats what makes the build attractive. your trying to put to much into it. You cant use an IAS in a KD build, you will wase a KD on a foe thats already eating dirt.

Euh... Moebius-Trampling seems an awful lot like it to me. As someone stated before it isn't really necessary on Exhausting since the interrupt is there to take its place already.

As for the IAS not working on that... since attack skills cancel autoattacks, KDs can be timed by the player to interrupt key skills. Now don't say you're a button-masher, eh?

@ Neverending Silence: it's not 'slandering' we've been doing... rather than pick up on something Yan's build lacks, which is a movement boost. Trying to alter the build so this can be included while not breaking it down too much.

In fact Yan, having watching some of your vids, I didn't think you'd ever post a build without Dash ^^

Coloneh · Dec 05, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Euh... Moebius-Trampling seems an awful lot like it to me. As someone stated before it isn't really necessary on Exhausting since the interrupt is there to take its place already.

As for the IAS not working on that... since attack skills cancel autoattacks, KDs can be timed by the player to interrupt key skills. Now don't say you're a button-masher, eh?

except that the begining of those bars are not powerful enough to bring a foe under 50%, and if theyr not below 50% moebius isnt going to recharge anything.

also 'button mashing' your attack skills together is a good thing, although most people say 'chaining' when we talk about it in a positive way, but whatever floats your boat. if you are uing an ias and leaving time in between your attac skills for part of an auto attack, then why are you bringing an IAS? sure on occasion you will get an auto attack in, but is that skill slot forth 4 damage to you? there was a whole thread about why you shouldnt use an IAS on a KD chain a while ago.

bungusmaximus · Dec 05, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Heh don't flame the poor guy, he didn't deserve it. His build will work, provided the player running it is good. When you use it in the normal button mashing assassin manner you're dead. I liked the fearme build from the RA thread a million times better though.

Yanman.be · Dec 05, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

no no no. this is why assassins are BROKEN. no character should be able to instigib another that easily.

Yeah I tend to play other shit than instagib...

Bobby2 · Dec 05, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

except that the begining of those bars are not powerful enough to bring a foe under 50%, and if theyr not below 50% moebius isnt going to recharge anything.

Same could be said for Yan's build.

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

also 'button mashing' your attack skills together is a good thing, although most people say 'chaining' when we talk about it in a positive way, but whatever floats your boat. if you are uing an ias and leaving time in between your attac skills for part of an auto attack, then why are you bringing an IAS? sure on occasion you will get an auto attack in, but is that skill slot forth 4 damage to you? there was a whole thread about why you shouldnt use an IAS on a KD chain a while ago.

This is no instagib sin? Then TIMING DOES MATTER. Y'know, what with interrupting target's skills and all. I often go LMS... autoattack, waiting for d00d to use skill - THEN Exhausting Assault. Who cares about the damage of those autoattacks - I want to use interrupts and KDs when they matter most.

IAS gives a greater window of time to make your KD attack. I'm not going through that discussion again either. If you do not understand this now, it is not worth it trying to explain it to you.

It's... sad, really, to think about how you would run this build. No thought, no finesse, just a matter of getting your attacks in as quickly as possible (ANet designed the SP Sin for you) disregarding any action your opponent might take. Hell why don't you just use a macro?

ACreator · Dec 05, 2007, 12:25 PM // 12:25

The variation i would use is

Siphon speed
Flurry
black mantis Trust
lotus strike
trampling ox
moebius strike
twisting fang
REZ

with this u still have KD, u have a fast recharging and usefull hex, u have pressure with MB Trampling and deep wound plus bleed to cover crippling for more KD

ensoriki · Dec 05, 2007, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Umm lol

Take out MOI for Dash
Black mantis for Leaping
and *puts on flame shield* *giggles* Falling Lotus Strike for FRENZY

use dash to cancel it

now its time to run from the flames

Yanman.be · Dec 05, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Why is everyone posting "variations" and "improvements"...when you really don't need'm?

lacasner · Dec 05, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Yanman..the same reason why everyone posts here..post count +1.

Back on topic..

the same instagib that is being run except take BoS and augry of Death and SP. This really limits you more than taking siphon speed, but its more of an insta-gib than twisting fangs.

ACreator · Dec 05, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

[QUOTE=lacasner]Yanman..the same reason why everyone posts here..post count +1.

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not true.... u can see my join date and my post number is very low although I come and read all threads twice a day at least...

yanman ppl are posting variations because ur build, like any build can be improved....

stop thinking that all ur builds are great and dont need improvements because they do!

Tyla · Dec 05, 2007, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by ACreator

stop thinking that all ur builds are great and dont need improvements because they do!

yeah - and people helping yanman improve this.
and btw...builds may be great but theres always something greater

ensoriki · Dec 05, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

yeah - and people helping yanman improve this.
and btw...builds may be great but theres always something greater

Well....lets be honest.

Assassin builds don't ever really need improvements

Cus we are the best class!

Magikarp · Dec 05, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Why is everyone posting "variations" and "improvements"...when you really don't need'm?

i've played assassin since they day they came out, and will be the first to say as one of my main classess, they always need to adapt and use variations, or else they're so predictible, anyone can stop them.

the build is old, i used something just like it when gwen was out for the first few days, and im sure i wasnt the only one. making yourself sound like a god because you strung a few common, easily grouped skills on a skill bar, doesnt make you good. i could care less what, or where your background on gws stems from, but i dont see how your sin has made this milestone that you keep making the "yanman" out to be.

follow Ensorkis advice. he's an odd kid, but seemingly plays an alright sin, and moreso, takes advice with a little salt, and doesnt brag (unless jokingly). major turn off, especially when you're playing an already down-on-their-luck class.

ensoriki · Dec 05, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

follow Ensorkis advice. he's an odd kid, but seemingly plays an alright sin, and moreso, takes advice with a little salt, and doesnt brag (unless jokingly). major turn off, especially when you're playing an already down-on-their-luck class.

Does that mean...
Im so Noob....that Im pro!?
Freaking Sweet!
or so Pro that im Noob >.>
Or That Im a crappy sin with good ideas
Or a crappy sin with crappy ideas who lucks out getting some good ideas every blue moon.

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Siphon speed
Flurry
black mantis Trust
lotus strike
trampling ox
moebius strike
twisting fang
REZ

There is no way in hell you can manage that energy cost unless the Critical Fairy loves you.

>.> Aren't Bip necros dead?

Turtle222 · Dec 05, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

the "remake" had no speed buff, with no cripple...and its such a long chain..to get you down to 50% for teh MB. shield bash will destroy you, a ranger will destroy you, and yes, an ele can probably destroy you before you lay a hand on him ^^

Ens. nice improvements, that build would work with your add-ins.

Original build - 4.5/10

Improved build - 8/10

Its still no SP sin

bungusmaximus · Dec 05, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

Well....lets be honest.

Assassin builds don't ever really need improvements

Cus we are the best class!

I lol'd, this entire thread lol 's me to tears, people not understanding the basic of irony and humour lol me even more. Keep em coming please ^^

Magikarp · Dec 05, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

while i hate the sp sin, the ratings Turtle came up with are pretty accurate.

and no ensoriki, you're not a noob, and in fact, pretty impressive for a 14 year old.

Bobby2 · Dec 05, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

Does that mean...
Im so Noob....that Im pro!?
Freaking Sweet!

LAWL! Lez 1 VS 1 Enso!

Yan tbh I feel the old Yansassin still is a lot more adaptable. It stands in my mind as a prime example of what a pressure Sin should be... and this new build of yours did rather poorly for me compared to your old one in RA (even post-nerfage).

Can u justify NOT taking a speed boost? I'd like to hear the flipside... I'd kite you forever if I wanted to, so it seems.