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Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Yea, agreed with Nornagest 100% lol but please dont turn this into flame wars.

Ensign · Dec 05, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by nyltak

I bow before your 1337n355, and i dont suck at this game

Didn't you make this thread to tell everyone that you cried to support about how you suck at this game, and wanted the developers to make things easier for you?

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Originally Posted by nyltak

I bet you tell the girls your good in bed too.

Attacking someone's sexual prowess on an internet forum is a sign of both maturity and sophistication!

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Originally Posted by Nornagest

In this case he was advised to take a monk without or with little enchantments

Multiple instances of fail in the same thread! Unheard of!

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Yea, agreed with Nornagest 100% lol but please dont turn this into flame wars.

Too late xD

As for a monk without enchantments. Its perfectly viable, providing you have a prot monk (or other profession with points invested in prot magic) with Protective Spirit or Spirit Bond in your team as well. But theres nothing wrong with a full healing monk running a skill like WoH

Nornagest · Dec 05, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

The monk just isn't the only class that can prot, just as enchantments aren't the only type of skill to do. (Though monks do it best and enchantments are most effective) So if your enemies take advantage of you using enchantments (like Charr using Defile/Desecrate Enchantments+Corrupt Enchantment and Shatter Enchantment) consider using spirits, weapon spells, shouts, stances and what else you can find instead.

That just to say it explicitly. Sure prot spirit rules, butif it is shattered you may get into problems.

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 01:02 PM // 13:02

Agreed ^^

Too many monks rely on enchantments now, I would love to see how they do in an area with a lot of enchentment removal

Div · Dec 05, 2007, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by nyltak

I bet you tell the girls your good in bed too.

It's "you're" not "your." At least spell it correctly if you're going to insult someone.

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Originally Posted by Wakka

To be fair theres nothing wrong with a monk that doesnt use enchants lol

Then I'd just take a ritualist. The power of the monk lies in the ability to reduce damage well.

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Originally Posted by Nornagest

In this case he was advised to take a monk without or with little enchantments, so I think holymasamune should have read more careful.

Not only is it bad advice to give, from what I recall of this dungeon, it doesn't even make sense. It's not like there are 20000 shatter enchantments floating around in there outside of the sages.

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Originally Posted by Wakka

As for a monk without enchantments. Its perfectly viable, providing you have a prot monk (or other profession with points invested in prot magic) with Protective Spirit or Spirit Bond in your team as well. But theres nothing wrong with a full healing monk running a skill like WoH

Perfectly viable, but not ideal. Read heal vs prot in http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10222589 before you come back and make any more assertions. If you do decide to come back and assert yourself, post an example all-healing WoH bar.

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Too many monks rely on enchantments now, I would love to see how they do in an area with a lot of enchentment removal

Monks are relying on enchantments because they're finally figuring out having 6 heal spells that all do just about the same thing is a bad idea. Or unless they really like making decisions such as "should I cast WoH, orison, healing whisper, words of comfort, or dwaynas kiss on the target." I've gone through NM and HM of all three campaigns and most of GWEN (all but 3 HM dungeons that I'll finish later this week), so I'm curious as to the "area with a lot of enchantment removal" you had in mind.

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Then I'd just take a ritualist. The power of the monk lies in the ability to reduce damage well.

Then why didnt you just give him that advice in the first place instead of starting a load of crap over nothing? You've actually achieved nothing.

Yichi · Dec 05, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Then why didnt you just give him that advice in the first place instead of starting a load of crap over nothing? You've actually achieved nothing.

He did. He said that taking a monk with no enchantments was less than ideal vs taking a hybrid monk that heals and reduces damage.

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Originally Posted by nyltak

I bow before your 1337n355, and i dont suck at this game, for it is a game. ment to be played, not lived. I bet you tell the girls your good in bed too.

I am. In my mind, I should be in adult films. It doesnt matter if its only 5 seconds long, for those 5 seconds, youre getting 110% baby !

Stormlord Alex · Dec 05, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I like this thread very much.
It appears to be going somewhere good.

... and.
On-topic? I don't tell the girls I'm good in bed.
I leave that to their friends

Or let them find out themselves

Tab · Dec 05, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I can confirm that Alex is good in bed.

Nornagest · Dec 05, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

@holymasamune: I stated my opinion on enchantments and prot before and I don't disagree with you. I haven't done Vloxen yet in HM, but maybe I will in the next days. But my experience with enchantments in Rraga's Menagerie (HM) is a bad one.
Maybe I did something wrong, but I had better effects with only little enchantments against groups of Charr (as mentioned before) with Defilers, Dominators, Flameshielders and Warriors (you may look for thier builds yourself on the wiki).
If you did this dungeon already and it worked well for you, ok, please let me know. But if you haven't, have look and see for yourself.

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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He did. He said that taking a monk with no enchantments was less than ideal vs taking a hybrid monk that heals and reduces damage.

Actually, what he said was...

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Originally Posted by nyltak
and a hero monk that didnt use enchants

And you wonder why you suck so much at this game and have trouble with EotN HM.

This is a clear example that skill > time spent is now just a long-lost myth for GW PvE.

So im not quite sure where your reading.

Div · Dec 05, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Then why didnt you just give him that advice in the first place instead of starting a load of crap over nothing? You've actually achieved nothing.

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Perfectly viable, but not ideal. Read heal vs prot in http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10222589 before you come back and make any more assertions. If you do decide to come back and assert yourself, post an example all-healing WoH bar.

I know you don't have an answer for this, so respond to it before you try to change the subject some more.

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

On-topic? I don't tell the girls I'm good in bed.
I leave that to their friends

Or let them find out themselves

Sneaky one, you are.

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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I know you don't have an answer for this, so respond to it before you try to change the subject some more.

You know nothing lol as for your example of an all healing...

[skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Heal Party[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill]

There ya go, i've left one out though. Put in [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill] for a hex heavy area or [skill]Words of Comfort[/skill] for a condition heavy area.

Now I know you dont have an answer for this

Tab · Dec 05, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

That is one of the most retarded things I've seen in a while.

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

And whys that?

Tab · Dec 05, 2007, 03:53 PM // 15:53

You have six direct healing skills.

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Yea that was the point in it lol a monk without enchantments ^^

Tab · Dec 05, 2007, 04:04 PM // 16:04

And his (correct) point is any monk without enchantments is crap.

Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Nah not too true ^^

Switching to pvp for a mo here. Look at the old LoD/Infuse build that dominated GvG for ages. It normally ran one enchantment (normally Prot Spirit, and of course veil but unless pre-veiled it came off right away) and it was great

So yes enchantents are good, but imo monks over-glorify them.