Curse

The Way Out · Jan 23, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

What is this, World of Warcrack where gear determines how good a player you are?

IMO it's a matter of personal preference. I mostly use greens, and for some odd reason they all seem to be Sundering. I still managed to complete the campaigns and EotN. I'm sure there's people out there who think Furious is best, also some who think Ebon is best... What's best for you might not be best for everyone else.

From a standpoint of statistics... we have already determined that vampiric stomps sundering over and over again.

nebuchanezzar · Jan 23, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Adam of Tyria

I use sundering and I see a huge difference in the damage I do.

Please show me this huge difference. The only place my tests have ever seen a difference is with criticals. It's negligible on any regular attack I have tried. The only reason to use sundering is if your afraid of the 2 health per second loss from vampiric. Even when Sundering got buffed to 20/20 it still is not as effective as Vampiric for DPS as mentioned by JR.

Even in Feurin Longcastle tests only ONE TIME did Sundering outperform Vampiric for DPS.

Furious is meh and should have gotten the same buff as Sundering to 20% imo but even then it would not be ideal because it adds no damage, just helps with adren build up.

Try for yourself on the Master of Damage just auto-attacking with Sundering and Vampiric and Vampiric wins out almost all the time. Then try charging up on the adjacents and unloading adren spikes with both Sundering and Vampiric.

Also consider that just an elemental modded weapon basically acts like a Sundering 100%/-20AL vs warriors by hitting them at 80AL ALWAYS and Sundering just makes less and less sense.

Just my 2c but try doing some calculations http://www.guildwarsguru.com/calculators/guru_armor.php with Ensigns damage calculator and use the Master of Damage. I think you will see that you are tricking yourself into believing your damage output is so substantially higher with Sundering.

Either way, play what ever you want. GL and HF.

Washi · Jan 23, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I'm sure there's people out there who think Furious is best, also some who think Ebon is best... What's best for you might not be best for everyone else.

Bolded for emphasis. It's not about what you think is best. With armor you can say fow is best and I can disagree cause it's about taste. But with mods its about numbers. Higher damage is better than lower damage, pretty simple.

Teutonic Paladin · Jan 23, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

It doesn't matter if people think _________ is best. If _________ ISN'T best, then they're wrong, this isn't a matter of opinion.

Taurucis · Jan 23, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

From a standpoint of statistics... we have already determined that vampiric stomps sundering over and over again.

A damage difference of about 6 isn't what I'd call "stomps."

I prefer spike damage, TBH.

thor hammerbane · Jan 23, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

You will not see a huge difference in damage with sundering. Maybe, 5-10 dmg. I personally use furious. I feel that it is much more effective. After all, it's the warriors skill that kill the enemy, not just higher than average regular hits.

The Way Out · Jan 23, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

A damage difference of about 6 isn't what I'd call "stomps."

I prefer spike damage, TBH.

You have to rely on crits as opposed to constant damage... that translates roughly into stomps. Any player worth their rank knows this already. There are statistics, which are quoted all around this forum, showing you it already. Do you know something that we all don't know?

Feurin Longcastle · Jan 23, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by thor hammerbane

You will not see a huge difference in damage with sundering. Maybe, 5-10 dmg. I personally use furious. I feel that it is much more effective. After all, it's the warriors skill that kill the enemy, not just higher than average regular hits.

Actually, I tested this (using Cleave and Executioner's Strike). Sundering and vamp both had higher damage dealt at the 3 min mark. If I do the tests again I'll keep screen caps, as this topic invariably keeps coming up.

Taurucis · Jan 23, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

You have to rely on crits as opposed to constant damage... that translates roughly into stomps. Any player worth their rank knows this already. There are statistics, which are quoted all around this forum, showing you it already. Do you know something that we all don't know?

Why yes, I do. I know that I'm not a gear elitist fresh from World of Warcrack. To be honest, I prefer the Elemental sword hilts to the others.

netniwk · Jan 23, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Why yes, I do. I know that I'm not a gear elitist fresh from World of Warcrack. To be honest, I prefer the Elemental sword hilts to the others.

The fact that you call it elitism doesn't make sundering any better.

JR · Jan 23, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

What is this, World of Warcrack where gear determines how good a player you are?

IMO it's a matter of personal preference. I mostly use greens, and for some odd reason they all seem to be Sundering. I still managed to complete the campaigns and EotN. I'm sure there's people out there who think Furious is best, also some who think Ebon is best... What's best for you might not be best for everyone else.

Some people don't just care about 'getting by', they might actually want to max their output and efficiency.

Jetdoc · Jan 23, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Savio

Furious is bad.

Furious is good on a spear when you're building up adrenaline to go in for the spike. Otherwise, it's bad.

Taurucis · Jan 23, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by JR

Some people don't just care about 'getting by', they might actually want to max their output and efficiency.

Weren't those people camping in Heroes' Ascent trash talking everyone who isn't in their elite little gathering? Don't tell me they migrated to PvE...

The Meth · Jan 23, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Vamp has higher average DPS while Sundering has the possibility of a higher spike damage.

Those are the cold hard facts

Can we stop this debate now?

kosh · Jan 23, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

sundering owns with crit sins

im sorry what?

i couldnt hear yall from all those +1 +3 energy numbers popping out.

but hey we all know that ppl carry sins for their awesome dps with daggers.

rofl.

netniwk · Jan 23, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Weren't those people camping in Heroes' Ascent trash talking everyone who isn't in their elite little gathering? Don't tell me they migrated to PvE...

Are they forcing anything on you?no?
move along.

deluxe · Jan 23, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Weren't those people camping in Heroes' Ascent trash talking everyone who isn't in their elite little gathering? Don't tell me they migrated to PvE...

I sense much frustration in this one...

Diddy bow · Jan 23, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

You wont let this one die will you?

Sundering sucks ktnxbye

Taurucis · Jan 23, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

If you vampiric weapon worshipping people don't stop saying how much Sundering sucks, Anet's going to buff it =)

I repeat, it's a matter of preference.

The Meth · Jan 23, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

sundering owns with crit sins

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Originally Posted by kosh

im sorry what?
i couldnt hear yall from all those +1 +3 energy numbers popping out.
but hey we all know that ppl carry sins for their awesome dps with daggers.
rofl.

I think by critical sins Kyrein means sins who use a scythe. Obviously daggers suck with sundering, even when the sundering triggers you deal barely more damage then vampiric. Maybe less, I'm throwing numbers around my head.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

If you vampiric weapon worshipping people don't stop saying how much Sundering sucks, Anet's going to buff it =)

Someone start a thread about how much +1 to skill attribute (20%) sucks so this can happen to them